Why Red has such a low pop

[Rec]

New players can handle getting ganked, they just can't handle being ganked constantly. On Sullon Zek there was an ebb and flow to the people who showed up to kill leveling areas. Zones had it's own defenders against solo'ers, groups showed up to chase out any real greater coordination. The population of the server didn't start to die till they added the pop books and that ebb and flow went right out the window.

[Andis]

Originally Posted by Twain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Andis,

Why you always running from mid 50s wizard 1v1?

good one

[runlvlzero]

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[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Rec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

New players can handle getting ganked, they just can't handle being ganked constantly. On Sullon Zek there was an ebb and flow to the people who showed up to kill leveling areas. Zones had it's own defenders against solo'ers, groups showed up to chase out any real greater coordination. The population of the server didn't start to die till they added the pop books and that ebb and flow went right out the window.

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.

Agreed, the solution to pvp is to first get more people playing on the box.

Group exp bonus
Remove hybird exp penalty
Safe zones
Classic resist
Nerf clickies

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is zero support for people here. Because everyone solo's 1-30 ish and kinda looses interest or gets wrapped up in guild politics. Or is a lone wolf. Teams would help against this issue a bit. When I played on Rallos on live, there were 40 people in gfay. 20 in CB. 20 in Unrest. 15 in BBM. All just a zone away to ask for help too. And a lot would come, or bring an OOR healer. Or their pals would log in a ganksquad to kill the gankers.

im pretty much done being the facilitator of guild merges and putting guilds on my back personally, its tired me out. so i will be a loner from now on. If there is nihilum pvp shoot me a tell, if you want to exp, shoot me a tell. I just cant do it anymore for everyone else. Someone elses job from now on.

also, if you want to be the dude who brings this server back from the brink and raises a army to combat nihilum, i leveled up characters anon, and would exp with people i could confirm were new, and would then "join" my guild with them together. without leveling up those cleric chanters along side the new pop they never make it past 30. Just something to think about.

[timhutton]

You guys are insane for thinking there are so many people that want to play on this server.

With the perfect ruleset, the perfect community, and all of the people who started and quit with intentions of playing long term back you're looking at 300-400 people tops.

EQ PvP has NEVER been anywhere as close to as popular as PVE, and blue pulls in ~1000 players on a good night. Best case scenario for red is getting maybe a 1/3rd of that.

This is a dead game we play bros, new blood is not coming in at a fast pace, and all the old blood together is only going to combine for a given fraction of what blue has, just like happened on live.

It's never happened, it will never happen. Enjoy what we've got.

(I'm not saying it can't be better, but I think the idea of having blue-like population on the box and every zone full and inviting to new players is a pipe-dream. Players are always going to be soloing at low levels here because of nobody to group with. Any change or event would only be temporary at best).

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed, the solution to pvp is to first get more people playing on the box.

Group exp bonus
Remove hybird exp penalty
Safe zones
Classic resist
Nerf clickies

Pras Elderan and his good posts throughout this thread.

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im pretty much done being the facilitator of guild merges and putting guilds on my back personally, its tired me out. so i will be a loner from now on. If there is nihilum pvp shoot me a tell, if you want to exp, shoot me a tell. I just cant do it anymore for everyone else. Someone elses job from now on.

also, if you want to be the dude who brings this server back from the brink and raises a army to combat nihilum, i leveled up characters anon, and would exp with people i could confirm were new, and would then "join" my guild with them together. without leveling up those cleric chanters along side the new pop they never make it past 30. Just something to think about.

I hear you. I'm pretty much an antisocial player but I try to overcome that myself. I don't think the focus needs to be on getting newbz into the endgame or pushing them in a direction.

A quick PL to ten doesn't hurt. But if I got on Vari or Niem, or took over Miria and dedicated my time to constant PLing it would probably hurt the server more.

I'm all in favor of people having a lot of random alts though. But having a few different alts to pvp in many diff zones is a huge time investment I'm not currently willing to undertake having chars locked at a specific level yet. I don't have a main even.

So I don't blame you or anyone from Lite, to Max, to Sam, to the Swedes for not coaching new players. There's not enough of us to do it.

*** Quick update, not that being antisocial is bad, but Red99 does attract more antisocial people then blue. The demographics of this server are nothing like live or blue.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are insane for thinking there are so many people that want to play on this server.

With the perfect ruleset, the perfect community, and all of the people who started and quit with intentions of playing long term back you're looking at 300-400 people tops.

EQ PvP has NEVER been anywhere as close to as popular as PVE, and blue pulls in ~1000 players on a good night. Best case scenario for red is getting maybe a 1/3rd of that.

This is a dead game we play bros, new blood is not coming in at a fast pace, and all the old blood together is only going to combine for a given fraction of what blue has, just like happened on live.

It's never happened, it will never happen. Enjoy what we've got.

(I'm not saying it can't be better, but I think the idea of having blue-like population on the box and every zone full and inviting to new players is a pipe-dream. Players are always going to be soloing at low levels here because of nobody to group with. Any change or event would only be temporary at best).

Then box should be instant 51 (non planar gear) or get rid of the boring part of the game for returning pvpers. /testbuff to 25 with reasonable MR gear and kunark weapons.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then box should be instant 51 (non planar gear) or get rid of the boring part of the game for returning pvpers. /testbuff to 25 with reasonable MR gear and kunark weapons.

holy fuck thank god staff doesnt listen to you