A fate all gun nuts deserve.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by eqgmrdbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, im all for peeps wanting to protect themselves, but there has to be a limits to the weapons regular people own. General public should be limited to guns, rifles, and shotguns, anything more is overkill. The police and SWAT, should be allowed to have anything short of M1 tanks.

I take a different approach. Police aren't fundamentally supposed to be militarized, and I don't believe they should have access to anything that the ordinary public isn't allowed to own. I felt that way when I worked in that line of work, and I still feel that way today. Excessively militarized departments display a consistent tendency to behave like occupying armies. With the above in mind, I'll happily give up firearms as soon as all law enforcement does the same. If they don't--if their job is so dangerous that they have to wear a gun to work (two, usually)--then I cannot see a justification to deprive that same protection to everyone else. Since there's no way police in the U.S. would currently submit to total disarmament, I therefore fall firmly on the "keep 'em legal for everyone" side of that debate.

For my part, my HK .45 mostly sits locked away except when I oil it from time to time. I rarely shoot. I don't quite "get" gun nuts; it seems a boring hobby once the novelty wears off. I guess a lot of hobbies are like that, though. The folks around here who shoot in their backyards don't bug me one bit.

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Under a strict reading of the constitution, ordinary citizens should be allowed to own pretty much anything--tanks, fighter planes, missles, whatever. The entire point was for the civilian populace to be equipped comparably to a standing army (that's what "well regulated" meant in an era when government soldiers were called "regulars"). Since this aspect of the constitution has long since gone by the wayside there's no real point in even citing the second amendment in gun debates. It has long since been repealed in all but name. That's just as well. I don't really want to see Wal-Mart operating its own military force in the vein of the East India Company of old.

Danth

[Danth]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

Do you and your wife still play? For some reason I can't remember your SK's name now.

[Danth]

Hailto: We play off and on, mostly been off this summer. We historically play less during the summer and this year has been an unexpectedly busy year for us. We never "quit" so we'll always be back sooner or later. My SK is named Andoric.

Danth

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

I dont disagree that rifles and handguns are apples and oranges in terms of potential damage, but my point was: the handguns and rifles compared are both semiautomatic, and are both capable of inflicting nearly the same amount of damage in the school shootings everyone has been worked up about.

Had Adam Lanza used an Glock instead of an AR15, the outcome would be no different.

I could only think of 1 shooting instance where a rifle did more damage than a handgun could have: The DC beltway sniper (I'm sure there are others, but most would be no different if they had used a handgun instead of a "Scary black rifle"). I thought I remember the Virginia tech shooting was carried out with a rifle, but it was 2 handguns.

My point boils down to this: semi auto rifle or semi auto handgun, it makes no difference. The sick people are going to commit crimes regardless of the tool in their hands.

Disarm the law abiding citizens, and you are only ensuring the criminals have the advantage.

Disarm the law abiding citizens, and a tyrannous government meets no opposition.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to keep the government from steam rolling its citizens, it had nothing to do with "sporting" (like our current president would like you to believe) or home defense from bad guys, those are only perks.

[mtb tripper]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AR-15 triggered fire that killed Tennessee father and son


Investigators have ruled out foul play as a factor in a bizarre fire that killed a Tennessee father and his 12-year-old son on Sunday.

Preliminary autopsy results released this week showed the pair, of Huron, died of carbon monoxide poisoning and thermal burning, authorities told CNN on Wednesday.

At issue was an accidental firearm discharge, which investigators said triggered the fire as well as the explosions that ensued, but it remains unclear what else contributed.

Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke said Terry York, 48, was showing his loaded AR-15 to a family friend in the back room of his wooden mobile home when it misfired and a small fire was ignited.

"It was a bizarre misfire that I hadn't seen for more than 20 years," Duke said.

The fire didn't start out as severe but soon triggered explosions "one right after another" in minutes, according to one neighbor's account made to CNN affiliate WBBJ. Henderson County Fire Chief Lynn Murphy said it took firefighters more than four hours to contain the fire. The entire back room was burned down while the rest of the house saw little damage.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/ten...html?hpt=hp_t2


Playing with a loaded semi-auto weapon in a room full of black powder. Darwin Award winner right there. Only a matter of before these slack jawed yokels are disarmed and hopefully sterilized.

cocksucking liberal

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[mtb tripper]

firearms will never be banned, you fuckers are crazy to even discuss this, if somebody wants to kill somebody, they will fucking kill them somehow, criminals will always have guns, regardless of the law, and at that point lawful citizens will have no guns while criminals do. crime rate rises, fucks a duck, impeaches osama, fucks a lama

[Hailto]

Another fucking retarded thread by Reapin, how is that rogue coming along pal?

[Nirgon]

Guns are great