Project 1999 PvP Open Broadcast Discussion *Rescheduled*

[Drone]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See my post above. If you want to grow the server you are focused on the wrong area of the server. At most the high end raiding scene holds 50 active people right now. Add variance and it will hold 80 active people. That small gain is not what this server needs. The server needs to gain 200-300 more people and the only way to do that is to bring in fresh blood and focus on benefits of non raiding areas. Not try and bring in those tired already burned out people from before who will never stay long term anyway.

growing the server is great for everyone and i agree and like some of those ideas you thought of

though i believe variance is an important addition for the red server (it becomes less important with a blue-like population-- though not necessarily detrimental because at least a slower force can contest over here, not just sit around and hope for the tmo to wipe) to encourage competition if we end up leaking folks again (for whatever reason) after making pop gains

[Stasis01]

Holocaust, FF, Force, Azrael, Doming, Heresy, probably missing lots etc etc etc.

There is a population around, plus all the randoms we've lost - they just can't compete with the current ruleset. Nihilum has the thickest beard lets just put it that way, and they have the exact time and place every time to flex their numbers/willingness to stay on top of an advantage gained by time investment/skill.

There are crews around, but this rule set makes you go heads up - which is counter productive to small crews that might be able to assemble/do shit faster. Or just be lucky and have their entire force around doing other shit and a mob spawns at a weird time and are already mobilized and buffed - which was how it seemed on live more often than not.

Either way this is all theory quest and I just look at the history of red99 as well as the current state of red99 and want to puke being this one of the last chances of a decent nostalgic live like pvp box - Rallos Zek policed itself, today gamers aren't so new and pathetic. This is the grief troll age of online gaming bros, the harder you grief the better rep and this ruleset hands it to ya. Shit exp loss alone I can't think of how many hours me and Tyrionn took away from poor party.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holocaust, FF, Force, Azrael, Doming, Heresy, probably missing lots etc etc etc.

There is a population around, plus all the randoms we've lost - they just can't compete with the current ruleset. Nihilum has the thickest beard lets just put it that way, and they have the exact time and place every time to flex their numbers/willingness to stay on top of an advantage gained by time investment/skill.

There are crews around, but this rule set makes you go heads up - which is counter productive to small crews that might be able to assemble/do shit faster. Or just be lucky and have their entire force around doing other shit and a mob spawns at a weird time and are already mobilized and buffed - which was how it seemed on live more often than not.

Either way this is all theory quest and I just look at the history of red99 as well as the current state of red99 and want to puke being this one of the last chances of a decent nostalgic live like pvp box - Rallos Zek policed itself, today gamers aren't so new and pathetic. This is the grief troll age of online gaming bros, the harder you grief the better rep and this ruleset hands it to ya. Shit exp loss alone I can't think of how many hours me and Tyrionn took away from poor party.

All of those guilds you mentioned with the exception of Heresy are exactly the people they don't want or need to try and attract back.

At most you would bring back 40-60 people with this. They have proven they wont play unless they can hit raid targets. High end raiding can only support 80ish active people max. Those types of numbers wont get us anywhere, except to try and screw Nihilum which your only objective in this argument for variance.

If you want to fix the server you need to focus on the BULK of the server. NON raiders. Look at blue, they have 80-90 active raiders and then 800 non active ones nightly. That is what needs to be focused on this server. The NON raiders.

[heartbrand]

No, that was one of many points I made. Try reading it again.

[Stasis01]

Nihilum lawyers on the case Elderan and HB who love the 84 pop friday night mostly lowbies/mid randoms because of sunday night DKP farming, and that velious loot.

[heartbrand]

zzzzzz still have yet to respond to my points

[Drone]

lol kk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSzDW3_lR84

[Stasis01]

1:30 AM Saturday 1 Nihilum online - Dangle. Your points are lies my friend.

If Heresy was doing hate right now and inny popped we'd snag 'em.

You're arguing people would play more/recruit more, but I just feel like you're just arguing the topic with the obvious choices/fear mongering because you want easymode low pop box that serves one guild.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1:30 AM Saturday 1 Nihilum online - Dangle. Your points are lies my friend.

If Heresy was doing hate right now and inny popped we'd snag 'em.

You're arguing people would play more/recruit more, but I just feel like you're just arguing the topic with the obvious choices/fear mongering because you want easymode low pop box that serves one guild.

if there were variance, nihilum would be tracking it and we would undoubtedly batphone and log on the force to kill heresy and inny plenty fast. that just with the force we have now. if variance really was put in all the apps that get denied now would most likely not be getting denied just so we have enough bodies to throw at raid targets at any given time of day. variance wont make life on the number 2 guild any easier. it ruined blue if will do the same here. Greifers need to be ran off the server so that low level population can grow and then the number 2 guild can bolster its numbers to challenge for targets with no variance.

[Stasis01]

Blue 1k+ population - variance ruined blue?

We can't compare apples to oranges it's completely different dynamics for both boxes including very different zone control tactics and due to its low population would have some luck involved being how many are available to help out/keep shit quiet.

The box is a grief shit hole, that doesn't retain new players - yet Nihilum will keep screaming everything is fine and are obviously scared that it won't be as easy as logging in once a week for 5-8 hours to clear the server of every single raid mob that spawns for the week. Maybe they will get every mob still - but it won't be as easy as this and having your entire A team show up at a specific time that's agreeable to the guild every week and shit on any up and coming guild.

Heartbrand said it was possible to log in 5 hours a week and retain a 90% raid attendance - while I think he involved some greasey math, he's true in the fact that people that have everything they need including VP gear can simply log in for minimal time investment and keep every raid mob down - shits classic? No, it's retarded.

If Rogean reads this thread and objectively see's who supports the ruleset, it's 100% Nihilum. The rule set is way too heavy favored for #1, and history has shown this - either every person sucks at leading except Nizzar, or he's just the best on the box and this ruleset allows him to keep 100% control of it.