Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Nyrod]

it blows my mind that people have so many delusional ideas about how to "fix" this server.

if there has been 45 ideas stated i have only seen 1 or 2 that even have any shred understanding about EQ pvp EMU's. what the hell is wrong with you people? oh yeah, most of you still holding onto a pipe dream.

its the same "problem" with this server. people.

good luck "fixing" them.

cant hardcore changes that force people to do something different then what they want to do.

the only reason things were any better on vztz was because there was enough people willing to compete against the "big bad guild" but the reality is at this point the "resistance" is tired. there's always chance for a second wind.

wiping a server is ignorant unless its seriously broken (hello server isnt THAT broken), it will never accomplish anything, sorry if you disagree but your wrong. been through ~4 of them and its like the 3x exp bonus we just had, pop will spike but it will also hardcore dip. those who stick around are the same people willing to play when exp is 1x or even if no one is on the server.

that said, i think as this is still a beta run, keep going, release velious, let the project keep running so we can learn and when all content is whored out, THEN wipe and for fucks sake dont leave us stuck in classic for 2 yrs, kunark for 2 yrs, make it a set timeline for release.

TLDR fix resists and minor pvp issues, for the sake of all thats holy release Velious

[Aenor]

Heartbrand, I'm not a big fan of yours after I paid you 3k to camp my guise and then you pk'd my wiz... WHILE WE WERE IN THE SAME GUILD... I was too stunned that you attacked me to even fight back or try to escape. But please follow @BuddyGrizzard on Twitter.

[heartbrand]

Lol man what can I say, this server brings out the worst in you, I was the nicest of newbs here originally before ForumQuest changed me. I don't remember the incident but feel free to hit me up anytime should you return for 3k + some shit to help out whatever class you play if you choose to.

[HeisChuck]

Too many holes to plug, the ship has taken too much water already.

[Aenor]

Check out this footage I shot for CBSSports of Glen Rice Jr's hs team getting smoked by Wheeler:

http://www.maxpreps.com/video/watch....2-e37947792068

Some nice dunks in there.

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by HeisChuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too many holes to plug, the ship has taken too much water already.

Build a new ship.

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have incredibly thin skin

no wonder you hate red99

He also hates kittens = not legit.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beyond resists, which do need fixing, fundamentally the server is "fine". Exp is boosted plenty at this point, we have YT and a Leaderboard, etc. The server stinks because there aren't enough people. Why aren't there enough people? Because the launch was botched and countless questionable decisions were made combined with the year and a half it took to get stuff like increased xp, YT, etc.

All of the goodwill and first impressions have been used up. This server needs a combo of blue transfers and a "relaunch." Does a relaunch mean wipe? Personally I wouldn't mind a wipe but I think you could market a relaunch. What is a relaunch? Give a two week huge exp boost, classic items dropping again, launch it with fixed resists and the other long needed changes. Perhaps a one time amnesty to accounts banned for non MQ issues. Dunno something to create buzz about the server. Maybe relaunch with teams and give everyone a one time race change, but do it blind or something without people knowing how teams will work out to cut down on Zerg guilds. Maybe release some of the revamp zones on red early such as chardok 2.0 fear and hate revamp and stonebrunt / warrens.

Anything short of a major relaunch is just more bandaids on a nuclear war victim. They're appreciated, they're needed, but they aren't going to attract any truly new players, just bring back the same 10-25 people over and over who play and quit again.

You also have the issue of "Zerg" guilds. I've spent a lot of time thinking about how it could be combatted but I don't think there's a true solution other than item loot, and a non classic reward system for pvp victory. People want pixels and will always flock to where they can get pixels, unless you provide an alternate way of obtaining pixels they will keep on joining wherever they can get them.

Tl;dr minor changes and fixes are nice but you need a complete relaunch/major overhaul to ever pass that 200 pop mark again.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Lurgort/Sseri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played on VZTZ and just began on Red1999, I recently leveled my Shaman to 49 and I've made some friends who I group with on a regular basis. On the other side of the coin, I've ran amok of a few people who ganked me while canned down 40+% hp after soloing some stuff, such is the life of a Shaman.

VZTZ was great, because there were several guilds competing with each other - whether it be PvP, or for killing Trakanon, or Inny, or CT. There were 10 v 10 - 20 v 20 guild on guild fights, probably due to the large experience bonus in combination with not being able to hide under an anon tag. Everyone could see who was in a zone, and as they leveled up, made friends who then made guilds together. Lots of fun PVP all the way up to level 60 on VZTZ. I had my epic, pox, bane, and I think I also had torpor, too. I was relied on by my guildmates to provide them potions, or be an integral part in group PVP.

P99 red is just one guild who is monopolizing every single raid mob, resulting in a huge gear gap between people who want to even fight them, and they just end up absorbing the people who give up and want to join Nihilum. Everyone else has seemed to have either taken a big hiatus to see what the health of the server is going to be like, or are doing other things like WoW Emu - I would truly like to see this place become a thriving community like VZTZ was, I had fun during classic, and even more when they released Kunark.

A lot of great ideas in this thread, in particular heartbrand's struck me as a great way to inject more population into our RED box. There's 1000+ on Blue, a lot of them might check out red if the "relaunch" happens, and if the server passes 250 population at peak of REGULAR players, I think the server will begin to renew its playerbase over time until perhaps 400-500 - think of all of the action when Velious hits with those numbers. Kael, Skyshrine, or Thurgadin aligned guilds all duking it out in the icy wastelands of Velious.

It would be pretty fantastic if this all happened, get to work boys.

Need vztz xp IMO. Casuals can't play red the way it is currently

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red99 is basically a blue server with PvP enabled, it isn't pvp centric at all. Few things that could help it if it were tweaked:

- I really liked a LoZ feature that allowed you to /who all a zone and would tell you how many players were in it. I can say even as a Wizard porting around trying to find PvP is boring as hell.
- I'd like to think Velious would help, giving players a solid Velious expac that many haven't seen could bring back people but I don't think it will solve the overall issues that plague this server.
- Make 2boxing legal on Red99, it could give the smaller underdog guilds a better opportunity to do raid content and it would bring in more players overall.