Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has anyone just been killing mobs in a decent place such as an outdoor zone and bam - 100 mobs train by you, a few socially aggro you and you die?

You begin to ask yourself "Where the hell did that come from??" and then you think "I camped here because its pretty chill and easy to manage pulls"

Well, those are very common thoughts when that happens.

Now the real question is, does the bard consider the players that they train over and kill from social aggro?

No.

Do they consider the time wasted from a CR, rez and medding up?

No.

So what gain is it to log in and try to level?

None. Its grief and hard to level up. I lose 1/2 my night from CR's, medding and recovering from the loss. Makes me wanna just say screw it and go play another game.

I would like to hear other players thoughts on bard training from swarm kiting. It's not exactly intentional training, but it is collateral damage due to their lack of respect for others in outdoor zones.

There have been a few adventures I have recently seen bard swarm kites kill me along with others. It's almost like an epidemic in outdoor leveling zones.

It needs to stop. Training is training. Sometimes its accidental, those are understandable incidents. Blatant disregard and lack of respect for others' play space / camps is getting out of control.

This is not meant to be a troll or flame thread, this is meant to discuss the current server / outdoor zone situation with bards. Keep it civil and pointed.

The bard always dies. This is why you get trained.

Typical Bard: Lazy player who has heard of this easy way to get massive xp called swarm kiting.

Swarm Kiting: Extremely precise method of killing many mobs. It requires, skill, patience, and, most importantly, a lot of hard work.

That last is the antithesis of the lazy-ass player that created the bard. Therefore, the bard ALWAYS dies.

Those twenty mobs he ran by with fifteen minutes ago? They remember you were there, and they will track you to the ends of eternity for simply being near the path of the dead idiot above.

They always die because they simply suck, the rest of us pay for it.

Try talking to one without being regaled about their latest swarm kiting glory (they died and are lying through their teeth). Can't be done, it's all you hear.

I highly recommend AE mem-blur when these idiots are sighted (not that, you know, I would EVER, actually, you know, do something like this).

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[fastboy21]

there are way too many bards that train through the north kc wall area. it usually isn't an issue until the bard dies...

i almost always cheer for the mobs.

i sometimes root mobs as the bard trains by and then zone/fd.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i sometimes root mobs as the bard trains by and then zone/fd.

I like the way you think, but this does next to nothing to a kiting Bard except hold the mob up a while. If you want to cause real trouble, fear bomb the kite. Not that I'm saying to do that, just tossing around hypotheticals here...

[Aviann]

I got threatened to get suspended when I began popping fireworks in front of a bard that had got me killed by running over the safe area near OT.

Also got threatened for looting all of the corpses when they were letting them rot.


Those guys were assholes and deserved it.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got threatened to get suspended when I began popping fireworks in front of a bard that had got me killed by running over the safe area near OT.

Also got threatened for looting all of the corpses when they were letting them rot.


Those guys were assholes and deserved it.

Noone can stop you looting rotting corpses. It's in the game by design. Just do it. I really doubt any GM is going to suspend you for fighting back if they are being disruptive too... they like to cry like little babies in /ooc when people threaten it though (as a fellow Bard I can mess with them easily, and pretty much with impunity). Honestly, if they are getting people killed and being arrogant about it, I'd have no problem fear-bombing them into oblivion.

OT I can understand a bit, as it's now a "kiting" zone and so huge, and fairly easy to stay out of the way as a group (which should be fighting on the walls anyway). But in DL it's just obnoxious. Pulling huge swarms of blue and red mobs over groups fighting against the castle walls and then denying any culpability when things inevitably go wrong is griefing pure and simple. I don't know for certain, but Sirken takes a very dim view of any sort of training (he hates it), and I don't think they'd get much sympathy from him if things were to *cough* backfire.

[Trouble]

Now you are all talking about intentional disruption and griefing as a way of fighting back on an innocent person trying to get exp.

Bards are the heroes of the server.

[fastboy21]

yeah....poor bards. QQ

[Aviann]

no.

[Weekapaug]

The problem isn't with bards, aoe kiting (not the same as "swarming" kind of a peeve of mine), or with how aggro works. The problem is with douchebags and we have those in droves here.

Always have a couple of options in mind for where you are going to be levelling with a given toon at a given level, because 8 out of 10 times you are settled into a zone, some douche nozzle will show up and fuck it up for you. You have to get past worrying about it and move to option B or C. I don't care if you are 50 in a group crawling a dungeon, chances are some farmer will move ahead and cherry pick the nameds or if you are level 5 in Crushbone, some epiced fungi wearing alt will solo everything while 2 groups sit there and watch.

There are very nice respectful people here. But we have a higher population of complete nutsacks than you would have found on any server live. In EQ, and gaming in general, calling someone a "noob" is the holy grail of insults, for some reason. I actually like noobs. It's the lamer poons, I can't stand. In surfing we call them "kooks." It has nothing to do be with being a noob or how well you surf, but how you behave. The greatest surfer in the world can still be a kook if he drops in on people or acts like an idiot in or out of the water. In gaming terms, lamers. The kind of people who will monopolize a zone doing whatever it is they want to do, be it PLing, soloing a tricked out alt, and yes, aoe kiting with a bard....All of which is entirely legitimate play and I do it sometimes too....Just not primetime on a weekend in a crowded zone. Whatever it is THEY want to do at a given time takes a higher priority than what x number of full groups of people at the appropriate level for the zone want to do, apparently. These are the kind of people who will train people out of a zone because they think the raid mob they are after gives them priority. And just because they can. It's just basic inconsiderate behavior and it goes on constantly in all forms, at all levels here. Because this server has a higher proportion of douchebags than a live server ever had.

Just accept that this server is packed with a disproportionate amount of assholes and have a plan in mind for alternatives because they are unaviodable here and you will be a lot happier playing here.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem isn't with bards, aoe kiting (not the same as "swarming" kind of a peeve of mine), or with how aggro works. The problem is with douchebags and we have those in droves here.

Always have a couple of options in mind for where you are going to be levelling with a given toon at a given level, because 8 out of 10 times you are settled into a zone, some douche nozzle will show up and fuck it up for you. You have to get past worrying about it and move to option B or C. I don't care if you are 50 in a group crawling a dungeon, chances are some farmer will move ahead and cherry pick the nameds or if you are level 5 in Crushbone, some epiced fungi wearing alt will solo everything while 2 groups sit there and watch.

There are very nice respectful people here. But we have a higher population of complete nutsacks than you would have found on any server live. In EQ, and gaming in general, calling someone a "noob" is the holy grail of insults, for some reason. I actually like noobs. It's the lamer poons, I can't stand. In surfing we call them "kooks." It has nothing to do be with being a noob or how well you surf, but how you behave. The greatest surfer in the world can still be a kook if he drops in on people or acts like an idiot in or out of the water. In gaming terms, lamers. The kind of people who will monopolize a zone doing whatever it is they want to do, be it PLing, soloing a tricked out alt, and yes, aoe kiting with a bard....All of which is entirely legitimate play and I do it sometimes too....Just not primetime on a weekend in a crowded zone. Whatever it is THEY want to do at a given time takes a higher priority than what x number of full groups of people at the appropriate level for the zone want to do, apparently. These are the kind of people who will train people out of a zone because they think the raid mob they are after gives them priority. And just because they can. It's just basic inconsiderate behavior and it goes on constantly in all forms, at all levels here. Because this server has a higher proportion of douchebags than a live server ever had.

Just accept that this server is packed with a disproportionate amount of assholes and have a plan in mind for alternatives because they are unaviodable here and you will be a lot happier playing here.

true. but one of the of the things that always intrigued me about EQ (more so than other MMOs) is that certain real life personalities are drawn to certain classes in game. Bards have always seemed to be packed with a certain stereo-typically "bard" personality. Its not necessarily just negative either.