Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tass your poll is pointless. The vast majority of people who come to these forums are the 'p99 raiding' type, and this policy benefits them... why are you thinking a poll is of any use?

Plus the staff seems to like where p99 raiding is at, variance + training = fun.

Training isn't fun for the majority of the people in guilds. It is fun for the few that do it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

We also have already established that non csr zones did not mean training was allowed, it simply meant that you wouldn't receive any gm assistance recovering your corpses should you wipe.


All of this is kn the everquest rule book, which I linked on the original post. Stop shitting up my thread please, trying to open up a legit discussion here.

Rogean has already posted saying the non csr rule from live has nothing to do with training being allowed in vp on p99 so...what argument are you trying to make here?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A tool most often utilized by your new guild.

Yo go to rants and flames please we're trying to have a discussion to.help the raid scene more closely resemble what it was on live. Training was never allowed or sanctiones by gms.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The normal first reaction to VP is terror and confusion. It's honestly quite fun though.

Fun for who ? I guarantee you could poll the people who have raided VP on this server and most of them will agree that they would prefer to race for mobs instead of training for hours in any zone. I think the results of this poll is showing that as well.

[Cecily]

For the people who participate, unlike yourself. Please get a key.

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yo go to rants and flames please we're trying to have a discussion to.help the raid scene more closely resemble what it was on live. Training was never allowed or sanctiones by gms.

I am being abnormally civil!

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the people who participate, unlike yourself.

Wrong. People that participate that I know personally completely disagree with you. There are some who will always enjoy griefing. But it has no viable spot in the current raid scene with the mechanics put in place by the GMs.

[Cecily]

So it's fun for the people who don't participate then. I could actually see that being true rofl.

[Tasslehofp99]

On live guilds would be disbanded for continually intentionally training, even in non-csr zones.

[Cecily]

Disband TMO imo.

[Laugher]

This issue should also be discussed by guild leaders of VP flagged guilds (and up and coming VP guilds) here. I am interested to hear what they have to say about the current policy being that they (or people they have chosen) lead groups of individuals into these zones. That is not to say that I haven't read everyone's opinions so far but this debate seems to lack leadership commentary.

Also I like musashi1612's idea (page 7) of guilds banding together given the current policy. This would enable the ousting of various raid forces who didn't comply to say diplomatic relations with other guilds and thereby establishing raid times/calls for a guild to have their time in VP. What it seems currently is that none of the guild higher ups are making any efforts to provide any order between guild relations and training. With a UN of VP keyd guilds so to say it would be far easier to provide orderly and kindly raid times for various guilds as enforced by diplomatic train squads. Given the current policy this would be a somewhat ideal way for everyone to have their raid time in VP as unimpeded as can be and enforced by the community.

Yes current mechanics can also be blamed for the situation, but this is blue and one of the mainstays of this server is depending on others to get where you want to go (ex. grouping) so why not be nice to one another to figure things out among yourselves and leave the ganking to enforcers and red?

*edit* given the current grey area of policy*