Irony Is:

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes that is ad hominem.

totally.

people who don't know what a fallacy is or when it is appropriate to analyze premises for fallacious content probably shouldn't accuse people of wrong fallacies.

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"that"

look at the two quotes in the post previous to me referencing the "that," the first is your question, the second is my answer, edited into sentence form for you.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look at the two quotes in the post previous to me referencing the "that," the first is your question, the second is my answer, edited into sentence form for you.

appreciated that time for editing quotes, one of your best elf-sim-forum talents i'd argue. and i understood what you were saying. i don't understand your evasive maneuvering around answering direct questions though. it throws you into an impotence that you can't talk out of.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

a "might makes right" mentality is what i was suggesting hasbinbad is operating with, and not something that i'd like to be a part of which is likely from having been raised in the political atmosphere that i was raised in (see hometown). there's not an outright violence (force) against me by allowing due process to take place in another state. it's more respecting the imperfect system we have because it allows a stability that's desired in some places of the globe. a justice based upon empathy would be ideal, but that takes a removal of "self" and a reaching out to an "other" which isn't what is easiest to do.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a "might makes right" mentality is what i was suggesting hasbinbad is operating with, and not something that i'd like to be a part of which is likely from having been raised in the political atmosphere that i was raised in (see hometown). there's not an outright violence (force) against me by allowing due process to take place in another state. it's more respecting the imperfect system we have because it allows a stability that's desired in some places of the globe. a justice based upon empathy would be ideal, but that takes a removal of "self" and a reaching out to an "other" which isn't what is easiest to do.

The best definition of a government is an institution that has a monopoly on force.

You surrender your ability to legally imprison/arrest/sentence a person in order to have a central authority which everybody uniformly accepts to do it for you.

[Alawen]

I am most surprised by the polarizing effect this trial had on people. To be honest, it barely registers as a thing in my life. The idea of having a dog in this fight is bizarre to me.

[pharmakos]

irony is a dead scene