Irony Is:

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wrong part lmao, so whatever u said is silly.

do you really not even understand what you are saying to the point where you don't know which part of that is obviously a direct answer to you?

i understand what i typed. i don't know why you won't answer a direct question and keep deflecting with poorly constructed ad-hominem. would you or wouldn't you start a fight with someone who is following you?

from what you've posted on this thread, the only consistent thing you've stated is a justice system that resembles something from Hammurabi, eye for an eye. vigilante justice doesn't correct anything. the wergild from germanic cultures was eventually done away with... in regards to this thread, more violence would not bring back Treyvon nor change the ruling that was issued by the court via a jury, and all that would come of it is potential prison sentences or deaths of those who would harm George (he would be free to kill anyone who attacked him, right?).

the irony of this thread is that a stranger from california is overly concerned with a law and due process jury ruling from florida based on an assumption of race (way to fall right into the media cyclone of bullshit it was from the get-go)

[Joroz]

+1 for neighborhood watch carrying guns

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

vigilante justice is more correct because

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

many laws are unjust and many injustices are not illegal

[Hasbinbad]

yes that is ad hominem.

totally.

people who don't know what a fallacy is or when it is appropriate to analyze premises for fallacious content probably shouldn't accuse people of wrong fallacies.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes that is ad hominem.

totally.

people who don't know what a fallacy is or when it is appropriate to analyze premises for fallacious content probably shouldn't accuse people of wrong fallacies.

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

[Alawen]

I am most surprised by the polarizing effect this trial had on people. To be honest, it barely registers as a thing in my life. The idea of having a dog in this fight is bizarre to me.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the irony of this thread is that a stranger from california is overly concerned with a law and due process jury ruling from florida based on an assumption of race (way to fall right into the media cyclone of bullshit it was from the get-go)

/thread

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"that"

look at the two quotes in the post previous to me referencing the "that," the first is your question, the second is my answer, edited into sentence form for you.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

a "might makes right" mentality is what i was suggesting hasbinbad is operating with, and not something that i'd like to be a part of which is likely from having been raised in the political atmosphere that i was raised in (see hometown). there's not an outright violence (force) against me by allowing due process to take place in another state. it's more respecting the imperfect system we have because it allows a stability that's desired in some places of the globe. a justice based upon empathy would be ideal, but that takes a removal of "self" and a reaching out to an "other" which isn't what is easiest to do.