Beware the gnome Whukes

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it doesn't matter that Kata was there first, FTE > owning the camp for Hadden?

Doesn't this basically apply to anything then?

You're camping ancient cyclops clearing PHs for hours, go AFK to piss for 30 seconds while I come in and FTE the cyclops and grats me right?

I just want to get the rules straight here - I think the logs can show if the OP was there the whole time while the gnome wasn't.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't this basically apply to anything then?

You're camping ancient cyclops clearing PHs for hours, go AFK to piss for 30 seconds while I come in and FTE the cyclops and grats me right?

I just want to get the rules straight here - I think the logs can show if the OP was there the whole time while the gnome wasn't.

This is good stuff. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes, time to go FTE some cyclopes. Your claim to AC camp is meaningless now, gonna get on my wiz and t-flux his butt.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is good stuff. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes, time to go FTE some cyclopes. Your claim to AC camp is meaningless now, gonna get on my wiz and t-flux his butt.

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

Read the rules, most of them are there and easy to read. If AC is running around and you aren't there on it, it's FFA. That's the risk you run camping it in SoRo and not OOT.

[Ambrotos]

The only real hard stance in posted rules about camps is this. I'll talk to Sirken so we can clean stuff up. With Velious coming up, there are a lot of out door static spawns, ec etc, People will lawyer it to death.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping a mob is a privelege, not a right. If someone wants the privelege of having sole claim to a mob, they have to make the sacrifice of whatever else they could be doing with themselves. Claim to a camp is a considerable advantage, it comes with a cost. Choose wisely.

Being at a hotly contested camp and being afk 20+ seconds after he spawns, I consider it FFA if other people are waiting.

Like I said, we go by server logs and not people's logs. This is absolute times the server has.

Spawned: Sun Jun 30, 2013; 07:51:23
.........................................Engage Time... Delay time after FTE.........Engaged Total
2 Katanagatari 35 Monk.........07:51:36.... 6sec.............................23seconds

[Rhambuk]

such a pointless witch hunt.

I hope this thread doesn't tarnish your name too much whukes, though it seems that was the entire point of this post since the op had no claim to hadden and is just pissy he didn't get the tag because he was busy watching cartoons.

just my opinion, if a dispute is brought to public forums gm's should just wash their hands of it. If people want to handle things the way they are supposed to be handled, petitions etc great, the moment they bring it to public forums trying to slander a player because theyre upset they obviously don't care about the issue they're just mad they were beaten and want to ruin the guys rep.

Whukes /friending you as soon as I log in, hell i might give you some cash for being an UPSTANDING member.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

such a pointless witch hunt.

I hope this thread doesn't tarnish your name too much whukes, though it seems that was the entire point of this post since the op had no claim to hadden and is just pissy he didn't get the tag because he was busy watching cartoons.

just my opinion, if a dispute is brought to public forums gm's should just wash their hands of it. If people want to handle things the way they are supposed to be handled, petitions etc great, the moment they bring it to public forums trying to slander a player because theyre upset they obviously don't care about the issue they're just mad they were beaten and want to ruin the guys rep.

Whukes /friending you as soon as I log in, hell i might give you some cash for being an UPSTANDING member.

Let's be clear here - the rules may say that camping a spawn that is outdoors doesn't give you enforceable rights to that spawn, and that FTE aplies, but Whukes knew he was being a giant twat and basically stealing the spawn.

OP is justified in being upset. Any normal person would be, and nobody is going to go "lol dangit well played sir i was looking away for 20 seconds, congrats". Tarnished reputations is a justified consequence after acting like a prick - whether you technically broke the rules or not.

As would anyone else in similar circumstances. This may fall into general etiquette, but if someone is camping the AC and clearing PHs for hours and you get FTE you're being a shitface, and you're going to make some enemies, and your reputation may suffer.

[webrunner5]

kylok should have let this go through the GM's. If he does not have good real proof then well you learned a hard lesson. This ends up as both parties looking stupid as far as I can tell. Waste of a thread. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] kylok will look like a ass if he is wrong.

[A1551]

ruling doesn't make a lotta sense -- it's basically saying "forget holding a camp its all FTE" -- how can you argue that 20ish seconds is an "adequate" amount of time to give someone? Especially considering the server logs showed the wizzie basically started casting on hadden within 5 seconds of him spawning(!!!). He jumped the spawn clear as day, didn't even pretend to give the (admittedly alleged) camp holder a chance to engage.

Gonna have a lotta douchebaggery going on out there using this as a justification. That's the real tragedy here!

To the OP -- turn on autologging (/log on I believe). Not because it'll prove anything, but because you can use it to go back and see exactly, to the second, when a spawn died, and then you can set a timer, to the second, for when itll pop again. Then you can be there, sitting at your computer ready to engage the second it spawns. With something like hadden, there is really no excuse not to jump the spawn the second he is up if it is your camp and thus avoid issues like this. It sounds like you're over it, anyway!

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

such a pointless witch hunt.

I hope this thread doesn't tarnish your name too much whukes, though it seems that was the entire point of this post since the op had no claim to hadden and is just pissy he didn't get the tag because he was busy watching cartoons.

just my opinion, if a dispute is brought to public forums gm's should just wash their hands of it. If people want to handle things the way they are supposed to be handled, petitions etc great, the moment they bring it to public forums trying to slander a player because theyre upset they obviously don't care about the issue they're just mad they were beaten and want to ruin the guys rep.

Whukes /friending you as soon as I log in, hell i might give you some cash for being an UPSTANDING member.

Welcome to the power of community. Thanks for the heads up on your ingame ethic, btw.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by whukes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...Now some AFK dude sitting on the island sees Hadden pop, doesn't engage for 2 solid minutes, and I'm the bad guy.

I suspect that had this person actually waited the "2 solid minutes," then this unfortunate thread wouldn't exist. Ambrotos' log shows a delay between spawn and engage of a mere few seconds.

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Discussing the 20 second delay from the second attacker is perhaps off the mark. The other person engaged after ~7 seconds or so and that was deemed having waited long enough. I don't much care about these two guys or Hadden's earring, but I do care about whether or not every last camp on P1999 is in fact a mere question of FTE.

Danth