Nocturne

[Nihilist_santa]

I understand what I was forced to learn about evolution in school but the teachers could never answer basic questions without doing some crazy dance. For instance what about the stomach? How did a stomach evolve to hold acid? or the eye needs all of its parts to function so how does anyone part form individually.

Evolution hinges or these mutations but there are very few beneficial mutations that I am aware of although I have heard some argue that sickle cell is a beneficial mutation (LOL) . Mutations would have to be passed to the offspring as well which usually does not happen and you have other things to consider like the pleiotropic effect which means one system affected by a mutation does not happen in isolation but usually effects other systems of the organism.

If someone could show me beneficial mutations (and no I dont mean moths during the industrial revolution that have already been shown to in fact too not be an example of this) then perhaps I would change my views.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what I was forced to learn about evolution in school but the teachers could never answer basic questions without doing some crazy dance. For instance what about the stomach? How did a stomach evolve to hold acid? or the eye needs all of its parts to function so how does anyone part form individually.

Both of these things are not exclusive to multi-celled organisms, only the level of sophistication.
Single celled organisms have Lysosomes which contains digestive enzymes that without the ability to localize and contain them would dissolve the cell from the inside out.
Not all animals have eyes, not all cells have ocular organelles, however evolutionary theory explains to us that when different types of cells began to form symbiotic colonies, different cells began to specialize performing different tasks, this is how all of the sensory receptors eventually came about. There's no song and dance about it. You've simply had shitty teachers who couldn't think outside the box (Shitty curriculum)

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evolution hinges or these mutations but there are very few beneficial mutations that I am aware of although I have heard some argue that sickle cell is a beneficial mutation (LOL) . Mutations would have to be passed to the offspring as well which usually does not happen and you have other things to consider like the pleiotropic effect which means one system affected by a mutation does not happen in isolation but usually effects other systems of the organism.

Natural selection. I can't simplify it more.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone could show me beneficial mutations (and no I dont mean moths during the industrial revolution that have already been shown to in fact too not be an example of this) then perhaps I would change my views.

Do you know how many times they've needed to re-design penicillin since it's invention because the bacteria continues to mutate and adapt?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya but guess what, that bacteria is always bacteria. It will ALWAYS be bacteria. It will not eventually turn into a god damn fish or whatever the fuck retarded shit you think it can eventually turn into. I don't care if you give it a million years, nor a billion, time is irrelevant. Time cannot make impossible things occur.

And what evidence do you have to back up this claim?

Try responding to things that are actually directed to you, like the entire last page. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Strifer]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what evidence do you have to back up this claim?

Try responding to things that are actually directed to you, like the entire last page. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rellapse10]

you all need to go watch ancient aliens then you will see where we come from............

[OMGWTF420]

Originally Posted by Rellapse10 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you all need to go watch ancient aliens then you will see where we come from............

this

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Rellapse10 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you all need to go watch ancient aliens then you will see where we come from............

Ancient Alien Theorist's believe that every and any thing ever done ever was made by aliens. Humanity has done nothing since existing. Such bullshit. Worse than the ghost shows and the bigfoot shows.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever seen anything to the contrary? Has anyone alive today ever seen anything to the contrary? Has anyone that has ever existed in the entirety of recorded human history ever claimed to have seen anything to the contrary? No human alive today has ever seen one life form become another entirely. You would think with so many millions upon millions of life forms that exist today that somebody, somewhere, would have seen this happen.

Nowhere in the history of anything has anyone claimed that you can "see one life form become another entirely".

That's not even how it works, you don't suddenly go from fish to amphibian to reptile... Your ignorance of biology is simply astounding. I'm trying to explain these things to you in the hope that you might actually learn something. For one minute put down the bible and open your eyes/ears. Use that brain in your head minus those ideas that your parents indoctrinated in you.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh but right, this is where you plug-in the "time did it" excuse. Where I insert God into the equation, you insert time. One makes sense, the other does not. Time alone cannot cause the impossible to occur.

Logical fallacy detected!

The fossil record is huge evidence that over a period of time species have adapted to their environment via natural selection and changed over time. More recently there's the factor of the genetic relations between species of animals that further points towards evolution.

Evolution has evidence. Creation has nothing.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever seen anything to the contrary? Has anyone alive today ever seen anything to the contrary? Has anyone that has ever existed in the entirety of recorded human history ever claimed to have seen anything to the contrary? No human alive today has ever seen one life form become another entirely. You would think with so many millions upon millions of life forms that exist today that somebody, somewhere, would have seen this happen. Oh but right, this is where you plug-in the "time did it" excuse. Where I insert God into the equation, you insert time. One makes sense, the other does not. Time alone cannot cause the impossible to occur.

Do you not see the giant strawman you are setting up here? Evolution is in fact happening all the time. This is why, for example, we have all these nasty bacteria that are immune to antibiotics now. They did not exist even one hundred years ago. Since you don't like that fact, you move the goal post and demand changes that the theory of evolution does predict, hence the strawman.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not see the giant strawman you are setting up here? Evolution is in fact happening all the time. This is why, for example, we have all these nasty bacteria that are immune to antibiotics now. They did not exist even one hundred years ago. Since you don't like that fact, you move the goal post and demand changes that the theory of evolution does predict, hence the strawman.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait so bacteria didn't exist hundreds of years ago? Lol? Is the bacteria mutating into a different life form entirely or is it still just bacteria? Oh so going from "normal" bacteria to "nasty" bacteria is your evidence for evolution? Rofl. What a joke. Sorry you're right, bacteria is real "nasty" now, this totally explains how you can go from single celled organisms to super ultra complex things like us.

Don't try to respond to something that you can't even read in the proper context. That's not what Splorf meant at all.