Leap Frog

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How hard would a rotation with a limited time to engage really be? Trak spawns at 4am and its BDA's turn, they have X minutes to engage or it turns FFA or next guild in line or whatever.

Under that scenario TMO/FE would still get most of the mobs since they are 24/7 guilds and the rest of us only have finite hours we work within.

Or you can continue to train each other, leap frog, shit talk, FTE snipe, and make the endgame an insufferable mess like you're already doing.

That's pretty much how I see it, but maybe I'm wrong. /shrug

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How much time, Chest? How much is enough for you/them but small enough that the hardcore element doesn't feel bitter about a potentially high amount of charity?

10? 15? You're the hardcore element, what's an amount you'd feel comfortable with.

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[quido]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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totally serious too

would think you would know better by now

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This is why we can't have nice things.

[quido]

That's what I'm saying - don't know why the fuck you even bother with this rotation bullshit. It's been hashed out like 5 times.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getsome you are mistaken =) get your facts straight.

The only reason there was ever any rotation between us is because you guys were a few losses short of RMTing off the server and we wanted a break for the holidays. Ever letting VD in on any rotation was stupid, but it took agreeing to yet another ridiculous request to get a vacation, unfortunately.

Letting VD in on the rotation was stupid for Tmo. It was great for IB. I made the deal with Zeelot directly. You were never in the same vent or part of the conversation regarding the agreement to a rotation. My facts are straight. Yours are second hand. Spin harder next time Malcolm. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The second rotation agreement was even sweeter. IB and Tmo split traks. But vd competed against Tmo on Trak and raided with IB on other mobs. All the while maintaining a 50/50 vp. I know that pissed a lot of Tmo off. Just gotta dig thru the forums to find the qq.

[quido]

Yeah it was retarded. Let's see if FV gets us to agree to anything that dumb lol.

Whatever the exact circumstances, your guild eventually disintigrated and RMTed their way to another server where they met a similar fate with much more rapidity. And characters from your guild are still to this day getting banned (and screwing over their present owners) because of the people you all held in such high regard.

Go on with your bad self, getsome.

[quido]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see if FV gets us to agree to anything that dumb lol.

I mean FE, of course.

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking about situations where people press the limits and it gets put on us to provide evidence of what actually happened - that much should be clear, moran.

Maybe you've never heard of it, but there was once this thing called the 15-man rule that the GMs didn't feel like actually having to enforce themselves. So they left it up to us to provide evidence of who actually had and maintained a force of 15 people on a spawn. Unfortunately the GMs still were forced to sort through a bunch of conflicting screenshots and frapses, and the system basically crumbled (not soon enough) because it was retarded and nobody wanted to deal with it.

So can you see where I'm going with this yet, Mortiss?

I'm suggesting that it won't be long before people start leaving too many people in a zone or whatever the hell, and there will be conflicting reports of what actually happened (he was afk by accident - I swear!) and there's not going to be anyone who can reasonably sort through such a situation. Things will descend into chaos like they did before and you will just see a shitload of training, stolen pulls, and general douchebaggery.

Mortiss I really don't mean to be rude, but your posts are all garnish and no meat. Let's hear a real suggestion from you that isn't a rotation or just some vague desire to improve the raiding scene. Either that or you should probably shut up with your stupid white knighting.

Originally Posted by Mortiiss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the guilds and the players involved responsibility to not turn it into a bunch of rule lawyers argue stuff by the letter. When your guild is involved, of course, all that matters is the fine print. That's why no one likes you guys - most people are for the "intent" not the "as written" that I know you would champion around like a toolbox.

I didn't raid back in those days, but for people who did (getsome perhaps?) did TMO do most of the rule lawyering or was it something all parties were involved in? Since starting on this server our guild has had to run fraps pretty much 24/7 and watch whatever TMO is doing at all times because they try some of the sleeziest shit I've ever seen a raiding guild do.

How many times has Sentenza been suspended for training? He an officer? Oh.

Zeelot talks about how he likes griefing and training people too. Chest put it best: "This is why we can't have nice things."

Excuse the blatant typos.