Luclin

[Tasslehofp99]

This is how I view luclin:

One author starts writing a series of fictional novels, they are very successful. This author would be verant interactive/989, with their work being classic eq through velious.

Then another author comes along (soe) and says you know what, good work, but its not making nearly as much money AS IT COULD. SO the new author begins writing a new book starting where the last one left off, seemingly without researching the things that made the original authors work so good. They probably figured, fuck it...we are sony, we know what gamers want and basically raped the original authors work because they were so disconnected from it.


Or something...idk I'm fucking tired.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by iifetap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, considering people with HIV/AIDS live full lives now........

Exactly.

There was no "beginning of the end." There was no "end" at all. There might have been a beginning of the end or an end for YOU, but the game is still played, in current live content, by thousands of people.

You people do realize that there are level 100s on live now that started their toons on day 1 in March 99, don't you?

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin had some good bits, but broke the game.

No, it inflated the game. There's a difference. You may or may not like that, but it is a different thing entirely.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

There was no "beginning of the end." There was no "end" at all. There might have been a beginning of the end or an end for YOU, but the game is still played, in current live content, by thousands of people.

You people do realize that there are level 100s on live now that started their toons on day 1 in March 99, don't you?

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic?

Luclin *did* break the game, in so many ways, and it has been pointed out in many threads before this. There are always people who don't feel that, or don't mind, or actually like the massive mudflation and absurd lack of context, and ultimate destruction of the clear class distinction that made EQ great. That's fine. But this server exists for those who did mind, or we'd all be on that abortive hybrid that Live has become.

So why do you want to change this into that? It's perplexing.

Thankfully Nilbog seems to be pretty single minded about p99 staying classic.

[mgellan]

People on progression servers vote to open new expansions so they can progress to new server firsts, beat the competition on decade old content, and thus compensate for having really really tiny penises...

Regards,
Mg

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic? You guys are really a study in irony.

Luclin *did* break the game, in so many ways, and it has been pointed out in many threads before this. There are always people who don't feel that, or don't mind, or actually like the massive mudflation and absurd lack of context, and ultimate destruction of class distinction that made the game great. That's fine. But this server exists for those who did mind, or we'd all be on that abortive hybrid that Live has become.

So why do you want to change this into that? It's perplexing.

Thankfully Nilbog seems to be pretty single minded about this staying classic.

I'm a "Luclin+ apologist"? Made me LOL. Like it's some kind of political movement or something. Please. We are talking about a computer game. I'm an EverQuest player, my friend, and have been since April 11, 1999. You? I had been gaming for roughly 20 years at that point. You?

I've played a lot of games, types of games, and genres (we used to not have "genres' by the way, just good games and bad ones) since the 1970's, including text MUDs on a mainframe, and EQ is the standout. It is STILL the standout. In ALL of its forms. THAT is why I'm here. I love the classic era. But I also love most of the expansions that came after, as well. Why is that so hard to understand?

Again, I loved the classic era. Missed it for quite a long time and this server has gone a long way towards scratching that itch. I have nothing but the HIGHEST respect for this project and the intent behind it....really isn't pertainent to this discussion. But the idea that the game was "broken" afterwards is complete bollocks. You just didn't like it. Or missed it completely and it's just cooler to dis it, especially here. Christ, entire CLASSES were broken during the classic era and were fixed later, yet people are so caught up in nostalgia that they don't see that as a problem. I was there. And I was there for quite a few years after. Every era has had its positives and negatives, but has ALL been good, in my opinion. I'm sorry that you disagree. But, please don't confuse nostalgia or your comfort zone with quality.

By way of an example, you know what you could do during OoW and DoN? You could play a paladin, a ranger or a shadowknight and have a specific role on raids. A role that called for YOU, your class, not something just to fill the "role," (although EQ, being EQ you could work around that just like during classic) with specific buffs and abilities to go with it. You know what you couldn't do? MQ epics. You *gasp* EARNED your 1.5 and 2.0. Not farm shit till you could buy a MQ. EARNED it. But, to listen to some of you people, that's all meaningless since you could also click a book and get to where you needed to be a bit faster. OH THE HORROR! Faster travel breaks a game with (what are we up to?) 19 expansions worth of content! An almost 15 year old game got inflated! OMG it's broken! Give me a fucking break. You could start a new character on EQ live today and not even be close to maxing out that character's gear and ability set for years. You can level up, get your AA and get by and be viable a lot sooner, but maxed? No way. How about in Velious? This server has been live for just over 3 years and there are people with multiple maxed out toons and, from what it seems, are currently maxing out low level alts. See my point?

Personally, I think what this boils down to is a lot of people got left in the dust in Luclin and PoP and beyond, took off for WoW (probably after they pissed and moaned about how hard EQ is), got burned because it truly sucks, and now they are back clinging to this notion that the classic era was this perfectly pristine experience, while projecting what they experienced in WoW and the newer games that they CHOSE to play instead of EQ as how EQ wound up. Yet, they haven't logged on live and experienced it themselves in years. It's ridiculous. I have friends from classic EQ who have played WoW since release who still dis EQ in the same way. As if they have a fucking clue.

Don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly comfortable with this server not going beyond Velious, as that's the stated purpose of the server. And I love it here. But we are having a discussion here and the discussion is about would players like to see Luclin. I vote yes. Vote no if you want, but spare me the "Luclin broke the game" horseshit, please.

[Weekapaug]

Oh, and reading back thru both of our posts, I have to add this...

Why do I want to change this into what? Are you suggesting that there isn't mudflation going on like MAD on P99?

I don't recall ANY point during the classic era when fucking alts were running around with epics at level 10. When EVERY rogue you see on the server has a funghi and a 1.0. You? A monk alt with a funghi and dual trance sticks at level 30 was kind of a big deal then. How about here, eh? They rain from the sky.

To suggest that, somehow, Luclin would shit up the server by inflating it, at this point, is absurd. The server IS inflated and we don't even have Velious yet.

And if you are suggesting that Luclin introduced a "lack of class disctinction" I would ask this: Did you even fucking play in Luclin or do you get all of your info from these forums? Or, by "class distinction," do you mean some classes SHOULD be completely useless?

Pass the Kool Aide.

[t0lkien]

Um, gosh.

I'd compare gamer cred with you (I've been gaming since before Pong appeared on table top machines - the first computer game I played was on a main frame, and I still remember the afternoon I clocked an original Spacer Invaders machine) but I really don't think it's relevant. These discussions have been done before, it's tiring and ultimately pointless to repeat it all. There are many who disliked Luclin, and have laid out their reasons, irrespective of what you consider "horseshit" - amongst them the guys who built this server. Mudflation is the least of the issues. Why you would think any of it has to do with some sort of bitter grapes about advancement or something... is a bit bizarre (as is your tone btw). I don't understand, do you consider yourself some sort of authority who can't be wrong or disagreed with, that justifies you raging like a 15 year old? Noone's attacking you. You may want to look up the meaning of apologist; it's not an insult.

It's fine you liked what happened after Luclin and beyond, but wanting Luclin *here* is not what the server is about (the possibility of Nilbog implementing some part of the Luclin expansion after Velious notwithstanding - that would be the end of the game for me however).

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand you Luclin+ apologists. If it's what you want, why are you here on p99 reliving classic?

It is possible to like both. Frankly, I think the Vah Shir and later the Frogloks were two of the best player races of the game, of all time.

I completely do not understand the complaint that going to the moon took anything away from the fantasy aspect. Everything about the game was still deeply rooted in fantasy. Nothing was remotely scifi.

You actually think "mudflation" is a good complaint in support of P99? LOL!!! P99's mudflation is much worse precisely because it has become mired in the past. Velious is only going to be a brief (and it will be extremely brief), temporary fix before it become hopelessly mired again. The only thing that's going to save P99 is that the population is much, much smaller. Live EQ needed every single bit that Luclin brought (even the Bazaar). The only other alternative was to just end the game, but that would have been a mistake.

IMO, the only Luclin mistake was not having Luclin involve more of the Qeynos/Odus part of the world.

And generally, I found Velious to be the most boring expansion up to GoD.

[bloodmuffin]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the Vah Shir and later the Frogloks were two of the best player races of the game, of all time.

I hate you so much.