Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cyxthryth, you are not reading. I quoted Troxx precisely where he said his parser bugged. He has said many times his parser is undervaluing DPS, but he hasn't proven it. I also asked for data from him, and he hasn't complied. I am not sure why I am the only one required to provide evidence here lol.

You aren't REQUIRED to provide data in the format Troxx did, but neither was Troxx. But unlike you he was WILLING to. Just curious exactly what reason do you have to not offer what Troxx is willing to offer?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He did ask for a very specific method for gathering data, but I do not have to comply with his standards of what he thinks proper data is. He doesn't even have the guts to admit his own method for data gathering was valid, because he is blaming the parser for his lower DPS[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to - neither did Troxx, but Troxx was willing. *shrug* Guess you opt out of the direct comparison that Troxx was after? If that's the case, concession accepted. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And PlsNoBan continues to make himself look awful, while pretending I am the problem.

Why do you think he is making himself look bad? Why do you think others are pretending that you are the problem?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I was also willing to provide data, and I did. Not only that, but my data is superior because it can be cross referenced. You can look at the video and compare the data being generated to the logs, to make sure I didn't change anything. The problem is you are basically trying to argue that because I didn't provide the evidence in the exact manner Troxx asked for, it is not valid. You have ZERO evidence to back up this claim.

We have to take all of Troxx's claims on faith. We have to assume his parses are in the location he claims, we have to assume his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30% and not just the puller, etc. I am not sure why I am the bad guy here. I provided better, more concrete evidence than he did lol. He needs to prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%.

The only concession here is from Troxx, because he admitted multiple times his data is incorrect, and still refuses to provide "correct" data. If that is true, he literally has no data.

The actual data so far:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you think he is making himself look bad? Why do you think others are pretending that you are the problem?

80 pages of DSM being totally reasonable and making logical points and acting normally then everyone just decided to be mean and call him autistic out of nowhere.

Yep that's exactly what happened

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

80 pages of DSM being totally reasonable and making logical points and acting normally then everyone just decided to be mean and call him autistic out of nowhere.

Yep that's exactly what happened

Yes, I am being logical and reasonable. You can check the post history lol. At least 80% of Troxx's posts (and yours) are memes or insults without any contribution to the topic at hand. Sorry you are making yourself look bad.

The data so far:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I am being logical and reasonable. You can check the post history lol

LOL HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES IT

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES IT

I know, it's crazy. You believe you have been posting calm and articulate posts in this thread. Too bad the post history shows otherwise[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The data so far:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

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The data so far:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Chortles Snortles]

so shm not good pick for 4 man caster group
got it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snortles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so shm not good pick for 4 man caster group
got it

OP picked Shaman over Mage. Got it.