Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Dolalin]

Errr... actually maybe he's bullshitted that. I didn't read far enough down the thread. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[strawman]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a reminder that this thread is past the point of proving if this is "classic." Enchanters need a nerf just for being OP same as Necro and other classes that have been nerfed.

What was the nerf to necro?

[strawman]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NEcro lifetaps aren't 100% unresistable and they can't give fine steel or low delay weapons to pet while keeping max damage. Two things that made Necro completely dominate classic even more than broken Enchanter does today in "classic" P99. Staff nerfed due to trivializing content same as should be done to ENchanter.

Do you have a link to the thread with evidence for this, and the staff stating they nerfed it in spite of the evidence that it worked differently in classic?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm needs to be nerfed. There is a ton of evidence now it isn't working as in classic. Even ignoring the evidence this thread is enough proof that people don't consider it classic and want it nerfed. Enchanters not included.

Your evidence is indirect and conflicting. There's no parses, no data. It's just anecdotes from a bunch of different enchanters of unknown skill level, with unknown methods, in unknown situations making different, general claims about charm. For all you know, the comments you're seeing of chanters who didn't think charm should be used in groups were trying to charm yellow cons at 150 charisma with no malaise, no stuns loaded, sitting 3 feet from their pet, running lom because he likes to nuke stuff, and playing with a shitty 28.8 modem. Of course someone like that is going to have a bad time with charm, talk about how awful it is, and scare 5 group mates away from ever letting a chanter charm with them in the future.

Show me 1, just ONE enchanter who was charming a low blue con with tash, malaise, and -mr gear on their pet, who properly set up spell gems and positioning to handle charm breaks, who had 200+ charisma, and who still claimed charm was too dangerous to use for DPS in groups.

You won't be able to, because either 1) nobody was doing all of even half of that stuff back in the day and/or 2) the people who did it were few in number and not talking about it much.


Explain away the indirect evidence I pointed to in favor of charm being similar on live to how it is here, if you can. It's a more thorough, more detailed, more well-written source that chanters relied on enough that it still exists today that is written very much like modern guides written by p99 enchanters.

[strawman]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

>it's silly to argue the "classic" angle
>argues the classic angle three sentences later

[cd288]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly to argue the "classic" angle. A lot of changes were already made to nerf classic things that are OP. Enchanter charm is obviously one of these things at least at lower levels. Charm at high levels isn't even that bad, it's the ridiculous chanter in every group with everyone supporting their pet from level 1-30 that I've seen. This is nowhere near a classic EQ experience.

I love how your original argument got totally wrecked so you're now reverting to the "well there weren't this many Enchanters on live because people didn't realize how powerful they were and therefore they should be nerfed" argument lol

At this point, we might as well start putting limits on the amount of people who can be playing a class on the server. Oh and also force some people to play other classes; for example, there were more Wizards, Rogues, and Warriors on live at launch, so people need to be forced to play those so that we can truly recreate the classic experience. Gimme a break lmao.

[Ligma]

This shit again

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like the other thread got moved to RnF and then deleted when people started talking about favoritism for certain classes when comparing Necro vs Enchanter. Odd.

Enchanter charm isn't classic and needs to be nerfed or Necro lifetaps and dagger delay should be unnerfed. Simple as that. No more selective "classic" nerfs and OP classes left untouched.

Last thread had data in it of classic era tests supporting p99 durations but with charisma not even needed to get them. Classic chanter guides back up charm on p99 being pretty classic. Etc.

It's just random, brief anecdotes with no context and "memories" of some players and general class balance concerns supporting charm nerfs. None of which are relevant.

[this user was banned]

YOU aren't classic

[bwe]

Lol they deleted the thread. Pathetic