Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

24 more pages! You can do it!

You continue to embarass yourself with this glorious meltdown[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can stop at any time, or provide better data.

Here is the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ignore the trolls like cyxthryth and PlsNoBan. Troxx said his parse was bugged lol. And he has said plenty of times the parse undervalues DPS by 30%. Either his parser is just wrong (which is why it is undervaluing DPS and "bugging out"), or he needs to prove how GamParser is losing 30% DPS on all players, and not just the Monk who is pulling.
Here is the real data so far:

What Troxx ACTUALLY said is visible in his post history on this thread; viewable by all.

Why does Troxx need to do any X instead of you doing the equivalent of what Troxx did for comparison (reminder: he has asked you to repeatedly)? Are you suggesting that Troxx is lying / arguing from bad faith by presenting false data? Why?

Are you NOT actually interested in revealing whether or not your Shaman is capable of doing what you claim it is capable of doing (out of fear of being inadequate/unable to perform as you have claimed so many times in this thread that you'd be capable of performing)?

Why do you continue to call me a troll when all I have stated are facts, or asked questions?

Why do you continue to ignore my posts?

[PlsNoBan]

The longer this goes on the more I'm convinced there is serious mental illness going on here and I know I shouldn't make fun of it but like... god damn... ya know?

[Toxigen]

literally me irl

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[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

To answer your questions cyxthryth, it is really quite simple:

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum. He does not get to dictate the precise requirements for how to obtain data, nor does he get to throw out data he disagrees with. He has no evidence to suggest my method would differ from playing in a group. It wouldn't, because the mob stats (HP, AC, Resists, etc.) do not magically change when you group with people.

I have revealed the data and what a Shaman is capable of, but people are stubbornly refusing to believe it because the only thing they can do is play the semantic game of "if you weren't in a group, then the numbers would change". No evidence has been provided for this claim, and it is up to the people making the claim to provide the evidence.

Troxx himself is claiming his own data is bad. Should I not listen to him when he says that?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you NOT actually interested in revealing whether or not your Shaman is capable of doing what you claim it is capable of doing (out of fear of being inadequate/unable to perform as you have claimed so many times in this thread that you'd be capable of performing)?

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

[PlsNoBan]

I will say if I was ever mentally ill enough to attempt raiding on blue again. I don't really have any preference between VQ and Riot or whoever else. This guy is WAY more than enough reason to avoid whatever guild thinks this type of person is a good member lol. Judging by his forum habits I don't even want to imagine how much tism ends up in guild chat or discord.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

Incorrect. I proved it without a doubt, and you are now in full meltdown mode lol. Your own data works against you, and then you claim it is incorrect. How convenient[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You have to resort to some silly semantics about claiming your method for data gathering is the only valid way. It's a bad argument.

Here is the data so far:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

As for PlsNoBan:

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say if I was ever mentally ill enough to attempt raiding on blue again. I don't really have any preference between VQ and Riot or whoever else. This guy is WAY more than enough reason to avoid whatever guild thinks this type of person is a good member lol. Judging by his forum habits I don't even want to imagine how much tism ends up in guild chat or discord.

He is really making himself look good by calling everybody he disagrees with autistic. Great guy, right? I am not forcing you to post this, you can stop at any time lol.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

We all know he can't live up to the standards he has claimed. Any attempt to get him to prove his claims will just result in him doubling down on some faulty logs/videos he posted of him NOT doing the thing he claimed he can do. Then proceed to yell at you about not providing data or understanding math or something.

He's literally backed into a corner and spazzing out. I don't know whether I admire or pity his unwillingness to just admit he's fucking wrong.