FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suspect you missed the point entirely. My post was social commentary. It was directed towards the criticism of TMO's efforts (however honorable or pathetic). I simply stated that certain solutions become non-viable when the social setting reaches a certain level of animosity.

Whether or not TMO can lock down targets is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the direction and nature of the dialogue.

Whats the point of social commentary if it has no relation to the current situation on the server anymore?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whats the point of social commentary if it has no relation to the current situation on the server anymore?

If it had no relation, then it would be irrelevant. Such is not the case.

In this very thread, the notion of joint rotations/Endangered lists/etc. between TMO, FE, and others is discussed. My comments simply point out that if you bash someone, they're not going to want to talk to you. That is incredibly relevant to the discussion. Though my observations were strictly from within TMO proper, I submit very strongly that the general principle is applicable to the social dynamic of other guilds as well.

That is the relevance of my observation.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Though I suspect, based upon your previous language, that you are more interested in tearing down the concept simply because of its source as opposed to taking issue with its content.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it had no relation, then it would be irrelevant. Such is not the case.

In this very thread, the notion of joint rotations/Endangered lists/etc. between TMO, FE, and others is discussed. My comments simply point out that if you bash someone, they're not going to want to talk to you. That is incredibly relevant to the discussion. Though my observations were strictly from within TMO proper, I submit very strongly that the general principle is applicable to the social dynamic of other guilds as well.

That is the relevance of my observation.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Though I suspect, based upon your previous language, that you are more interested in tearing down the concept simply because of its source as opposed to taking issue with its content.

Give me a break. You guys enjoy being bashed and then trolling endlessly.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me a break. You guys enjoy being bashed and then trolling endlessly.

Some do. Others take great effort to maintain and cultivate a reputation of thoughtfulness, care, and diplomacy.

Perhaps you should narrow the scope of your statement.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some do. Others take great effort to maintain and cultivate a reputation of thoughtfulness, care, and diplomacy.

Perhaps you should narrow the scope of your statement.

Can agree with that. The most vocal members of your guild on this forum love the attention be it good or bad...

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was never a question about equality, nor was it a question of what the mobs had, it was a question of having given up raid targets. The statement was that we hadn't, I have shown that we have. I have also shown how people pissed on us for doing so, which is why we stopped. BDA ALSO gave up mobs, not trying to discount their contribution in any way... they did it. FE has never tried, but claims that if we would, they would... we already have... they haven't, so trying to make that claim is false.

As for how we went about offering the mobs up to the server, why we did it, who benefitted, how long we did it for, and what mobs it was on... it doesn't matter

Per Jack Nicholson -
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

and Zeelot has ordered a Code Red Mt. Dew before...

We haven't had a chance to even think about sharing mobs or giving other guilds attempts because you guys have been breathing down our necks since our guild was formed. Its come to stab you in the ass, though, because you made our raid force faster and stronger - thanks TMO for going head to head! Kudos on a job well done.

Moving on, you say you shared mobs and link posts about it. Timestamp check anyone? What's that? An entire year ago? I'm sorry, but your argument is weak. Was TMO sharing these mobs when going head to head with IB or any of the other raid guilds that were on top?

Our claim isn't false. Time frames matter. Guilds breathing down your neck since you attempt your first Trak ever matters. Like I've said countless times before:

We will keep showing up. We aren't going anywhere. See you next spawn.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can agree with that. The most vocal members of your guild on this forum love the attention be it good or bad...

Hey meathead ready for round 2?
I need 10 more pages.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey meathead ready for round 2?
I need 10 more pages.

no rematch after your lopsided loss.

[Mortiiss]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it had no relation, then it would be irrelevant. Such is not the case.

In this very thread, the notion of joint rotations/Endangered lists/etc. between TMO, FE, and others is discussed. My comments simply point out that if you bash someone, they're not going to want to talk to you. That is incredibly relevant to the discussion. Though my observations were strictly from within TMO proper, I submit very strongly that the general principle is applicable to the social dynamic of other guilds as well.

That is the relevance of my observation.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Though I suspect, based upon your previous language, that you are more interested in tearing down the concept simply because of its source as opposed to taking issue with its content.

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some do. Others take great effort to maintain and cultivate a reputation of thoughtfulness, care, and diplomacy.

Perhaps you should narrow the scope of your statement.

There are cool people in TMO, Frieza. There's just also a lot of douchebags, but I think over time they won't be a problem. All guilds have douchebags - I'm sure there's plenty of TMO who don't like me, but I'm just fine with that. I love the hate. Mwuah!

Time will tell all, and we'll all still be here in the months to come. I know who's cool, even out of the loudmouthers on these forums, and I know who's a cunt. As long as I know, I make my decisions based off that.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Mortiiss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are cool people in TMO, Frieza. There's just also a lot of douchebags, but I think over time they won't be a problem. All guilds have douchebags - I'm sure there's plenty of TMO who don't like me, but I'm just fine with that. I love the hate. Mwuah!

Time will tell all, and we'll all still be here in the months to come. I know who's cool, even out of the loudmouthers on these forums, and I know who's a cunt. As long as I know, I make my decisions based off that.

So....am I cool or a cunt?