Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[kul69]

Originally Posted by Frostback [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By doing research and posting evidence rather than petition. I'm with Bubar on this, I think any changes made to the enchanter class would make the server less classic than more. It's hard to find old school guides on charming, but any guide that you can find from 1999-2001 supports the conclusion that enchanters were capable of charming the same on live as here on p1999.

So Necro will be getting unresistable lifetaps back and dagger delay for pets or just Enchanter gets to remain overpowered because "classic"? Bard can AE kite again? Chardok AE is open? If Enchanter isn't nerfed it is only because of favoritism at this point.

Also, Enchanter charm is still not classic. I played an Enchanter on live. I can add to all the anecdotal stories. It was never this easy and reliable. Not until Velious and beyond.

There has already been a ton turned up in this thread. Tashan being resistable. "Kunark era" charm rules, what was classic? CHA impacting per tick break rates. Pet taking experience even in groups. Literally a ton of things to look into.

Regardless of all those obvious factors impacting why charm is abused here it still deserves a nerf purely to keep things in line with how other classes were nerfed. Otherwise it is just favoring the Enchanter class and deciding it alone gets to be overpowered. Unnerf everyone or nerf Enchanter or admit P99 is a joke and not trying to recreate classic.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's exactly this reason that i resist a custom enc charm nerf with no proposed definition.

i hope you can understand this. if you can come up with a reasonable solution that would make me confident the game would be more like it was in 1999, then i'd be more likely to consider supporting it. as of now, i don't really see the practical nerf, that is, the mechanical change in charm, that you're suggesting "all of us" are asking for

i for one, am not. this is how it is on every tlp, this is how its been on p99 since the beginning. this is how it could have been on live save for some *unknown factors*

if we can figure out what those are, i'm onboard man, but this demanding change without defining it is a little outrageous

I feel like you're trying to engage with/understand me (which I greatly respect, as it's too rare here) ... but also we're missing each other. I am not saying "I'VE FOUND THE SOLUTION!!!"

(If I did, that'd be awesome, and I'd be posting evidence for it instead of talking here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

I'm just saying "I SEE AN (UNCLASSIC) PROBLEM!" It's like if a house is on fire: just because I'm not a firefighter and I can't stop it, that doesn't mean I shouldn't call the people who can, or that I should listen to the guy next to me (who hates his neighbor) and says "houses are totally supposed to do that, don't call anyone" ...

[kul69]

Moved to RnF. No response from staff.

Favoritism for Enchanter it is.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moved to RnF.

Only because the forum doesn't have a trashcan section.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moved to RnF. No response from staff.

Favoritism for Enchanter it is.

Again, I think there is evidence to support such a conclusion, especially given some recent decisions ... BUT ... there are mountains more evidence that Nilbog cares more about classic EQ than anything else (certainly more than any favoritism).

I mean, the guy's human, so maybe he has a slight unconscious bias towards whatever class he played on live. But if you look at his body of work (10 years of P99), I think it's disrespectful to let a few recent decisions which look like favoritism be equated as favoritism.

[Frostback]

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Originally Posted by loramin View Post
P.S. As for all the other nonsense in this thread ... OF COURSE Enchanters could charm in classic. No one (serious) has ever disputed that Charm existed in classic and that Enchanters had it.
So, when I say "live wasn't like this", and your response is "but live totally had Enchanters charming", it just shows you have nothing to say to the point I'm actually making, and you have to shadow box with your imagination of what I'm saying to have anything to argue over.

This discussion is about charm mechanics and how powerful it was on live in 1999 vs now on p1999. When you say live wasn't like this, that's just your opinion. I'm not really arguing anything, but what i've read from old school guides seems to support that it's classic.

[bwe]

Enchanters were #1 dps on live everyone who thinks otherwise has brain damage

[cd288]

Lmao Loramin give it up dude. The staff just showed you how much they cared about your opinion by moving this thread to RnF lol

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You begin casting Charm.
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Your charm spell has worn off.
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Your charm spell has worn off.

[Ligma]

It's getting kind of ridiculous and sad seeing this happen again.