Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Godefroi]

Arteker you must be either drunk or high as fuck, you just totally missed my points.

Since this is a valid discussion we shall just ignore Jeremy's rant and flame, he will just state you want "pixels". As a cave dweller with 6 level 60s, he's the one currently benefiting most of the non classic state of VP, don't expect him to vouch for any classic changes if they mean his e-penis will shrink a little bit.

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am bound right outside VP and will train and eventually die until I reach level 59 as many times it's necessary to keep anyone outside of VP

You cannot blame it on FE, we went to VP to compete because our competition had told us there was no other way. With 100% of their active roster keyed having the server uncontested, TMO's bet to war with FE was safe. VP is easy when you pull 60 players against 25.

However you can't be a white knight as a raider, if you fell for that propaganda I'm sorry for you, no guild on p99 is there to be white knights, they can help out sometimes, do rezes, help for a shaman or cleric epic #4353 since all their members have their 3rd alt epic'd, but as soon as you will get on their way to content they really need, you will get shit stomped. That's the way raiding is in EQ1. However that can mean an undercover train there or there, not offering buffs/rezes to competitors, leapfrogging, but it never was training for the sake of wiping entire encounters with the approval of GMs.

Since project1999 tries to be as classic as possible what is at stake is acknowledging the current state of VP just isn't. The fact that velious came out so quickly after only top guilds had reached VP makes it that way. Non-CSR on live meant no GM assistance, it didn't mean open war for grief. Elethia or Xast wouldn't support it otherwise.

You should keep guilds out of it, just because things happened the wrong way doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed. It's about how it happened on live, since it's what the staff is interested about for their server.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, no one can come up with legitimate reasons for training to be allowed in VP?


I mean so many folks seem to support it (about 110) yet not one legitimate reason for sanctioned training has been brought up aside from the one I mentioned in my above post.

It also Seems like there are way more people against sanctioned training and way more legitimate reasons for why it should be done away with.


Sup guys.

Already stated why it's allowed (with staff backing), doesn't matter if you think it's legitimate or not.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Arteker you must be either drunk or high as fuck, you just totally missed my points.

Since this is a valid discussion we shall just ignore Jeremy's rant and flame, he will just state you want "pixels". As a cave dweller with 6 level 60s, he's the one currently benefiting most of the non classic state of VP, don't expect him to vouch for any classic changes if they mean his e-penis will shrink a little bit.



You cannot blame it on FE, we went to VP to compete because our competition had told us there was no other way. With 100% of their active roster keyed having the server uncontested, TMO's bet to war with FE was safe. VP is easy when you pull 60 players against 25.

However you can't be a white knight as a raider, if you fell for that propaganda I'm sorry for you, no guild on p99 is there to be white knights, they can help out sometimes, do rezes, help for a shaman or cleric epic #4353 since all their members have their 3rd alt epic'd, but as soon as you will get on their way to content they really need, you will get shit stomped. That's the way raiding is in EQ1. However that can mean an undercover train there or there, not offering buffs/rezes to competitors, leapfrogging, but it never was training for the sake of wiping entire encounters with the approval of GMs.

Since project1999 tries to be as classic as possible what is at stake is acknowledging the current state of VP just isn't. The fact that velious came out so quickly after only top guilds had reached VP makes it that way. Non-CSR on live meant no GM assistance, it didn't mean open war for grief. Elethia or Xast wouldn't support it otherwise.

You should keep guilds out of it, just because things happened the wrong way doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed. It's about how it happened on live, since it's what the staff is interested about for their server.

Good points made, some folks don't understand that this discussion transcends any guild tags or individuals. This is also a relevant conversation moving forward and after velious is out as well, incase those same people don't realize.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Already stated why it's allowed (with staff backing), doesn't matter if you think it's legitimate or not.

Please review all relevant posts before making an inaccurate assertion.

[Agatha]

TL DR version for people like me "i want to be left alone while farming dragons'

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, no one can come up with legitimate reasons for training to be allowed in VP?


I mean so many folks seem to support it (about 110) yet not one legitimate reason for sanctioned training has been brought up aside from the one I mentioned in my above post.

It also Seems like there are way more people against sanctioned training and way more legitimate reasons for why it should be done away with.


Sup guys.

bump, srsly?

Home from work now. My weekend forumquest session is over, back to the game.

[Beaniron]

Why is training allowed in any zone at all to begin with? We all know that trains do happen from time to time because of a botched pull or an ill-ready raid force (or in the case of Unrest, horrible pathing), but NEVER in Classic was DELIBERATELY training another group with the intention of wiping them allowed.

So why is it an exception here?

[Laugher]

Allow me to shorten that for you from 75 pages to one post (never been to VP on this sever but this is what I've gathered from this post):

-pathing is weird in VP
-some people have used odd ways around said issue
-training someone and then looting the trained party's loot after they killed something is not permitted as seen in an earlier post
-the GM staff although awesome does not get paid to sit around and answer 13478107 petitions a day about trains in VP (where the players already know pathing can be a b)

in summary:

-players are to moderate their own experience in VP
-if the staff required themselves to answer every single petition resulting from VP trains (incidental or not) or the otherwise issue of pathing with all other petitions it would seem that they would probably stay up all night every night and never sleep
-while some guilds work with training others have chosen to take to the forums as opposed to working together, the opinion here is that PvE=racing one another/mobilizing faster as opposed to mowing the competition over with trains
*edit*-the csr policy here is not the same as live

conclusions?
-dont go into VP unless you plan to play trainquest or die
-try to make lots of friends that are monks
-play a class with fd to stay out of danger (or create it if you so fancy) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
-/guildwar ftw[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit:I think I read somewhere that theres a possibility of the sleeper being unable to be woken up and just thought I'd add that I think that would be cool [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I want a mask of tinkering for a lesser unreasonable price!

edit edit: I don't think the issue of millions of petitions was stated as a reason for the staff not to get involved in VP training but I assumed that it probably would factor in haha

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Laugher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allow me to shorten that for you from 75 pages to one post (never been to VP on this sever but this is what I've gathered from this post):

-pathing is weird in VP
-some people have used odd ways around said issue
-training someone and then looting the trained party's loot after they killed something is not permitted as seen in an earlier post
-the GM staff although awesome does not get paid to sit around and answer 13478107 petitions a day about trains in VP (where the players already know pathing can be a b)

in summary:

-players are to moderate their own experience in VP
-if the staff required themselves to answer every single petition resulting from VP trains (incidental or not) or the otherwise issue of pathing with all other petitions it would seem that they would probably stay up all night every night and never sleep
-while some guilds work with training others have chosen to take to the forums as opposed to working together, the opinion here is that PvE=racing one another/mobilizing faster as opposed to mowing the competition over with trains
*edit*-the csr policy here is not the same as live

conclusions?
-dont go into VP unless you plan to play trainquest or die
-try to make lots of friends that are monks
-play a class with fd to stay out of danger (or create it if you so fancy) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
-/guildwar ftw[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit:I think I read somewhere that theres a possibility of the sleeper being unable to be woken up and just thought I'd add that I think that would be cool [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I want a mask of tinkering for a lesser unreasonable price!

edit edit: I don't think the issue of millions of petitions was stated as a reason for the staff not to get involved in VP training but I assumed that it probably would factor in haha

/guildwar doesn't work, but it needs to be implemented.

[Laugher]

Lol yeah seems like it might help in this sitch or at least provide another option