Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Troxx]

Eldak Howlingbear on 2/16/2024 in 976sec

Jolav
--- DMG: 14 @ 0 sdps (0 dps in 976s) [100%]
--- DMG to PC: 13796 @14dps

It's actually 14.135dps

Lol I don't know what the fuck is wrong with your parses but at 187 worn ac (magelo below) and a continuous 70% togors insects slow (refreshed every 90 seconds or so) Eldak Howlingbear did 14dps over 976 seconds.

Magelo (well above banded armor + 2 6ac 65hp rings):

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Jolav

Methods:

-I pulled it with slow (successful first attempt)
-backed up to a wall before it got to me
-I malo'd it (cause why not)
-I kept it slowed the whole time
-healed as needed
-I did nothing other than 1 epic melee attack at the start. No autoattack. No riposte.


Riddle me this: how on earth with 103 worn ac (55% of my worn ac - and no shield ac since you were hammering) did you clock 11.54 incoming dps? Remember you were also gonna have to deal with ripostes that I never had to.

I went into this test expecting to have a much lower incoming dps than the numbers you posted based off the data provided. I ended up taking 21% more dps than the numbers you provided. I would hope to god that a 15 minute continuous parse was long enough to even out major swings this way or that.

Are you willfully posting inaccurate data or have the gods of the random number generator so universally blessed you over a few short fights and so universally poked my shaman in the ol' brown stinker sufficiently enough to explain this discrepancy.

/boggle

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's actually 14.135dps

Lol I don't know what the fuck is wrong with your parses but at 187 worn ac (magelo below) and a continuous 70% togors insects slow (refreshed every 90 seconds or so) Eldak Howlingbear did 14dps over 976 seconds.

Magelo (well above banded armor + 2 6ac 65hp rings):

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Jolav

Methods:

-I pulled it with slow (successful first attempt)
-backed up to a wall before it got to me
-I malo'd it (cause why not)
-I kept it slowed the whole time
-healed as needed
-I did nothing other than 1 epic melee attack at the start. No autoattack. No riposte.


Riddle me this: how on earth with 103 worn ac (55% of my worn ac - and no shield ac since you were hammering) did you clock 11.54 incoming dps? Remember you were also gonna have to deal with ripostes that I never had to.

I went into this test expecting to have a much lower incoming dps than the numbers you posted based off the data provided. I ended up taking 21% more dps than the numbers you provided. I would hope to god that a 15 minute continuous parse was long enough to even out major swings this way or that.

Are you willfully posting inaccurate data or have the gods of the random number generator so universally blessed you over a few short fights and so universally poked my shaman in the ol' brown stinker sufficiently enough to explain this discrepancy.

/boggle

You do realize that a single fight can have higher DPS than average, right? That is why I parse more than 1 fight. Also, you have admitted your parser doesn't work in certain scenarios lol.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that a single fight can have higher DPS than average, right? That is why I parse more than 1 fight.

You posted 1344 seconds (22.4 minutes) worth of fighting. I posted 976 seconds worth of fighting (16.2 minutes). Both of these values are sufficiently long that mathematically it is improbable to impossible that a shaman *A with 55% of the total ac of shaman *B can take 22% less damage ... all the while shaman *B has shield ac and shaman *A has no shield ac and is eating riposte damage.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright sweet ... glad we clarified that.

Congratulations on doctoring your logs. Remind me never to believe one iota of any 'full log' parses you ever provide again.

*Bazinga: I know that any fool can open the raw log file and fuck around with it however they want to. Logs are client side and fully editable.

When you can't win with facts and evidence, accuse everybody of lying lol. You do realize you could have doctored your logs/parse too, right? The difference is I have video evidence, which means you can actually double check every single number in my logs by watching the video and comparing the numbers appearing in my chat box if you wanted to. You just posted numbers without logs or videos. That is much easier to doctor. This is why I say providing video + log evidence is better. It is much harder to doctor a video to try and match it to doctored logs.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You posted 1344 seconds (22.4 minutes) worth of fighting. I posted 976 seconds worth of fighting (16.2 minutes). Both of these values are sufficiently long that mathematically it is improbable to impossible that a shaman *A with 55% of the total ac of shaman *B can take 22% less damage ... all the while shaman *B has shield ac and shaman *A has no shield ac and is eating riposte damage.

Let me put it another way. I took a look at the weighted average, based on how many times the mob hit me on the upper half of the damage table vs. the lower half:

Shaman Player Adjustments
=========================
1.8% dodge chance

Eldak Howlingbear Adjustments
===================
50% double attack chance
4% chance to riposte

Eldak Howlingbear Weapon Damage Table (Hit Attempt every 2 seconds)
================================================== ==========
[32, 37, 43, 49, 54, 60, 66, 71, 77, 83, 88, 94, 100, 105, 111, 117, 122, 128, 134, 140]

Eldak Howlingbear Kick/Bash Damage Table (Hit Attempt every 8 seconds)
================================================== ==========
[32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42]

Weapon Damage
=================
30 hit attempts + 15 double attack attempts + 2 riposte attempts per minute = 47 hit attempts

57.2 average damage per hit on lower table 16 hits = 915.2
113.9 average damage per hit on upper table 31 hits = 3530.9
4445.23 damage x (0.5 hit rate - [0.018 x 0.5] dodge rate) = 2182.6 / 60 seconds = 36.38 DPS weighted average

Kick/Bash Damage
=================
7.5 hit attempts

34.5 average damage per hit on the lower table 2.5 hits = 86.25
39.5 average damage per hit on the upper table 5 hits = 197.5

283.75 damage x (0.5 hit rate - [0.018 x 0.5] dodge rate) = 139.32 DPS / 60 = 2.32 DPS weighted average

Final Calculation
=================
38.7 DPS x 0.3 Togor's Insects = 11.61 DPS

The weighted average is taking into account how often your mitigation stats like AC are skewing the damage number towards the higher end of the table.

[Troxx]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Shamwowi

That's your current magelo. If THAT is what you were parsing with that would actually make some sense. THAT magelo has 250 displayed ac (not worn ac) more than I have. If that is the case, that I can understand. If that is what you did though, you have to admit that your gear is NOT what a typical shaman leveling from 55-60 can expect.

Please let me know because if that is indeed what happened I will apologize for accusing you of lying. In that case, me taking 22% more damage would absolutely be expected.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Shamwowi

That's your current magelo. If THAT is what you were parsing with that would actually make some sense. THAT magelo has 250 displayed ac (not worn ac) more than I have. If that is the case, that I can understand. If that is what you did though, you have to admit that your gear is NOT what a typical shaman leveling from 55-60 can expect.

Please let me know because if that is indeed what happened I will apologize for accusing you of lying. In that case, me taking 22% more damage would absolutely be expected.

You can watch my video and see that I am not wearing all of my gear. That is why I said I had 103 worn AC.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can watch my video and see that I am not wearing all of my gear. That is why I said I had 103 worn AC.

Alright sweet ... glad we clarified that.

Congratulations on doctoring your logs. Remind me never to believe one iota of any 'full log' parses you ever provide again.

*Bazinga: I know that any fool can open the raw log file and fuck around with it however they want to. Logs are client side and fully editable.

[bcbrown]

The difference is that DSM is calculating DPS over two mobs, and Troxx is calculating DPS over one mob.

When DSM fights Eldak, 1/4 of the hits are max hits (21/84). When he fights Mentrax, 55% of hits are max hits (31/57).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that DSM is calculating DPS over two mobs, and Troxx is calculating DPS over one mob.

When DSM fights Eldak, 1/4 of the hits are max hits (21/84). When he fights Mentrax, 55% of hits are max hits (31/57).

Both mobs have identical stats. I only had 2 fights on each mob, which isn't a large sample size. It isn't surprising one mob is a bit different.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that DSM is calculating DPS over two mobs, and Troxx is calculating DPS over one mob.

When DSM fights Eldak, 1/4 of the hits are max hits (21/84). When he fights Mentrax, 55% of hits are max hits (31/57).

But even THAT does not make sense. That would imply that Mentrax is gonna do more damage than Eldak. I only parsed Eldak. If were were then to infer that Eldak has a lower attack than Mentrax and his data was a compilation of both ... and I were only fighting the weaker ...

Why would my solo fight with the weaker and 45% more ac, no ripostes, and shield ac benefit yields 22% more dps received than his composite of the two.

Sorry.

Lesson learned.

Never trust data DSM parses?