Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

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Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No player ever asked for a GM rez in VP and never will.

Actually, I did.

I got charmed by Hoshkarr and killed some people, then he took me through a wall and killed me in the void. When I tried to get a rez, it didn't allow me in the zone and I didn't get my xp restored.

Nilbog laughed at me and I got to stay at lvl 59 for awhile.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

by FFA you mean non-CSR ?


here what is at stake is a bad interpretation of the "non-csr". No player ever asked for a GM rez in VP and never will. What is wrong is one guild mass recruiting to train 24/7 in order to keep all high end raid loot of kunark to themselves. It's just not how the game was and how it's meant to be.

Keep VP the way it is fine and keep gearing lvl 1 keyed TMO warrior alt #7.

After nearly 3 years it's maybe about time things are set right. Hell, even Ele says it, can't be wrong. it's maybe time for other folks to discover the zone without going through the nazi circle jerks of one single guild.

Keep it classic and non CSR, but if you really want it classic, also follow the part where history shows no training happened the way it is currently. Make the zone contested, a race on mobilization, not a playground for social misfits at 5 am where the only purpose is grief.

mobilization or just to popsock it for 7 days?.
Honestly visc , back in the day most popsocks we had with ib vd where in the last hour or two of the mob window.


there wasnt bad blood in that sense btw ib and tmo was a game to see who get fte . i recall at some popsock india was amusing IB and tmo with her trivia , was cool stuff no insults no shit just a friendly way to pass time .
perun pulled tola wich jumped and killed me.

wasnt biggy swaws rezed and actualy buffed me as i was looting corpse with few hps boom trak pop and he went for me because low hps agro thus tmo got awarded fte .

i got alot of jerk and jester tells from ib people mocking the way i got FTE, most funny one was daltheb wich said i made him lost a deal with perun over FTE .

Now with FE things changed u guys and i admit being challanegin tmo as number 1 guild isnt easy task to do it in a very very bad manner , pissing most guild .


As Stealin said FE could has been the second line guild raider of p99 without much effort a way to provide non people in tmo with loots and fun but instead of it u guys choose a confronhtation with tmo over vp.


FE didint lost agaisnt TMO in vp due to train wars but because only way to delay tmo from killing such dragons way and faster was to train them.

i got amused u guys killed druushk i realy was impressed and happy u guys did but in general afetr it and the attitude of most members u guys endin being a douches and anyone who can read forums can dig u guys claimed u woudl kick out tmo of vp.

didnt worked visceral and FE isnt the white knigth of the server , aswell get over it.


if u guys realy wanted to start over before IB took that 2 spot role wich imo will happen soon. make it rigth go and meet with tmo officers ask them if while our guild cannot compete with tmo u guys wouldn be inetrested to join and kill vp dragons together tmo.


make a deal like 1 drop of every dragon killed instead of going to alt go to a full FE member .


instead to cry in forums use ur brain and good will instead of being a forum cry non stop children and make the things in game.

[Arteker]

there is lots of tmo who advocate for a good will play nice to other guilds but while they are well respected great old members such elethia or xasten their opinion will never have the enough weigth to work because u guys still trashing most tmo players out of raid scenario.


stuff happening while racing for mob should stay there not to move to group enviroment and turn into a political shit fest people like tass want so much in in forums.


because face it people will go after loot and if it means Tmo is easiest way to get it they will go tmo and if they dont get in they will go Fe.


Honestly if u guys realy want to fixt and end all this fucking drama growth some balls make a public gathering in a open zone and let people read the debate and a possible fixt in game , no in a forum.

but of course this will never happen because its easier to cry in forums and ask for handjobs .

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mobilization or just to popsock it for 7 days?.
Honestly visc , back in the day most popsocks we had with ib vd where in the last hour or two of the mob window.


there wasnt bad blood in that sense btw ib and tmo was a game to see who get fte . i recall at some popsock india was amusing IB and tmo with her trivia , was cool stuff no insults no shit just a friendly way to pass time .
perun pulled tola wich jumped and killed me.

wasnt biggy swaws rezed and actualy buffed me as i was looting corpse with few hps boom trak pop and he went for me because low hps agro thus tmo got awarded fte .

i got alot of jerk and jester tells from ib people mocking the way i got FTE, most funny one was daltheb wich said i made him lost a deal with perun over FTE .

Now with FE things changed u guys and i admit being challanegin tmo as number 1 guild isnt easy task to do it in a very very bad manner , pissing most guild .


As Stealin said FE could has been the second line guild raider of p99 without much effort a way to provide non people in tmo with loots and fun but instead of it u guys choose a confronhtation with tmo over vp.


FE didint lost agaisnt TMO in vp due to train wars but because only way to delay tmo from killing such dragons way and faster was to train them.

i got amused u guys killed druushk i realy was impressed and happy u guys did but in general afetr it and the attitude of most members u guys endin being a douches and anyone who can read forums can dig u guys claimed u woudl kick out tmo of vp.

didnt worked visceral and FE isnt the white knigth of the server , aswell get over it.


if u guys realy wanted to start over before IB took that 2 spot role wich imo will happen soon. make it rigth go and meet with tmo officers ask them if while our guild cannot compete with tmo u guys wouldn be inetrested to join and kill vp dragons together tmo.


make a deal like 1 drop of every dragon killed instead of going to alt go to a full FE member .


instead to cry in forums use ur brain and good will instead of being a forum cry non stop children and make the things in game.

Look a few pages back I suggested an agreement that I think should be considered for the betterment of the raid scene on p99. No one even glances at it, I've even attempted to open up a personal/private discussion with zeelot and received no reply. We just need to end training, its bad for the server.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is lots of tmo who advocate for a good will play nice to other guilds but while they are well respected great old members such elethia or xasten their opinion will never have the enough weigth to work because u guys still trashing most tmo players out of raid scenario.


stuff happening while racing for mob should stay there not to move to group enviroment and turn into a political shit fest people like tass want so much in in forums.


because face it people will go after loot and if it means Tmo is easiest way to get it they will go tmo and if they dont get in they will go Fe.


Honestly if u guys realy want to fixt and end all this fucking drama growth some balls make a public gathering in a open zone and let people read the debate and a possible fixt in game , no in a forum.

but of course this will never happen because its easier to cry in forums and ask for handjobs .

You have to understand a lot of the bad feelings between guilds comes from the shitty stuff certain.members do to opposing guilds, like training, accessing private guild forums, and trash talk as you mentioned.


Your guild has had VP uncontested going on 2 years, give or take a month of contention from IB/VD//bda/fe. The rest of the server isn't going to play TMO's game in VP, most of them will just stop playing p99 once they realize what the end game is like in vp.

The last 2 years the server pop has naturally fluctuated with some people coming and going for various reasons. The one constant through all of this is a gross and greedy monopolization of the raid scene by one guild or another. Flash forward to the present, server is currently thriving with a healthy population. There are actually guilds going after and killing raid bosses besides the top guild, and they're having more success than ever before. Once all of these players get to the point where VP is the next step for them, under the current rules they are left with few options. MANY lf these players will quit or move on to other games when they realize what the final raiding zone is like on p99. Its happened in the past and will surely happen again, lets fix this before velious is out.


Besides, training to me is a sign of a bad player/guild who can't win a race with honesty.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current system is idiotic and only suits shitheads that enjoy griefing and ruining other players' play time. If TMO is worried about poopsockers then we can make training sockers a part of the agreement or something. I just don't see any other solutions other than gms changing the rules, which I dont think would be too unreasonable considering the immense support among players for it. Not to mention the fact that training was never ever sanctioned/accepted on live, which is a relevant fact if p99 is still attempting to mirror classic eq experience as stated on the p99 homepage.

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time for some rule changin

[Tasslehofp99]

Lets just consider the legitimate reasons for and against training being allowed in VP.

Legitimate reasons for allowing training: initially the pathing in VP was so bad that quite literally a guild pulling a dragon did not know what to expect in terms of mlb behavior and pathing. This created many scenarios where training happened often and many petitions were filed. The workload on the GMs would be immense, especially when you add in the fact that FTE disputes were common as well.

Those two concerns realistically can't be eliminated completely but surely the addition of fte shouts and improvements made to pathing recently should alleviate these issues for the most part, especially if intentional training was to be enforced.


Legitimate reasons against training in VP: its purely a griefing tactic used to waste players time and prolong competition over mobs until one guild gains an upper hand over the other simply by having more trainers available. This is not true competition.

The next reason would be that training was never allowed on live in any zone.
Its just not classic.

Yet another would be that less douschebaggery between guild (such as training) would lead to a more enjoyable raid scene for all.

Another reason would be that it would force raiding guilds to more strategically prioritize targets, which theoretically, would allow other guilds a higher chance at attempting raid bosses outside of VP.


Feel free to add reasons for or against sanctioned training in VP, as long as they are legitimate.


I chose to leave out poopsocking as a legitimate reason for allowing training because that isn't a legitimate reason to allow training. If a guild is willing to sit on a dragons spawn for an extended period of time then more power to them. I find it amusing that folks are arguing for a non classic rule to be enforced in order to prevent a classic stratedgy that was employed by many guilds on live. Im not saying i support poopsocking or enjoy it, but if guilds wanna do that then that is their choice. Assholes shouldn't be allowed to train them because their guild lacks the heart to do the same. That just amounts to being less competitiveness between guilds as well as the bad blood which is evident on this thread among others.

[quido]

How else is Tasslehof going to get a Crown of Rile? You wouldn't be seeing all this crap if his previous attempts had worked out. Whatever it takes!

[Arteker]

tmo never had vp unconsted 2 years vp , we have to deal with ib vd bda fe trains all over to the point the mentality of train wars sticked deep and hard and alots of people got pissed angry and want to strike back .

as i said do it in game not forums , do it in game because no tmo will take forums serius unless its a gm official ruling.
p99 forums are full of shit on a level i havent seen in 13 eyars of everquest players since furor anger issues over paladins sks back in the day .

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How else is Tasslehof going to get a Crown of Rile? You wouldn't be seeing all this crap if his previous attempts had worked out. Whatever it takes!

One could say the same thing about anyone who supports sanctioned training in VP.

As I've said in previous posts this goes beyond any single player or guild. People don't want training allowed on a classic eq emu server, get over it. You had your fun for 2 years griefing people freely, methinks its time for a change.

Stop rants and flaming my post pls jeremy.