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[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you're describing empathy, fuckwit.

No empathy does not prevent murder. In some cases it encourages it.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"That is my point, what is being called morality in the animal kingdom is simply instinct."

I would say in order to have morality you would have to be capable of abstract thought. Empathy and compassion are both shown in the animal kingdom. Humans base morality on these same instincts.

"But does it display the full range of human love?"

I am not sure why it matters. I dont think anyone here is trying to argue that birds possess a morality like humans do. As I said above...morality is something that requires both empathy and a mind capable of abstract thought. They most certainly possess empathy but lack something else.

"Would a male wood duck take a bullet from a hunter for his mate?"

Would a bee die for it's queen? Not sure what your example is suppose to prove other than you like to cherry pick.

[Ahldagor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsM4IwXWmF0

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

[QUOTE=Glenzig;1621422]Funny that people like Kaga will defer to the animal kingdom when the subject of how morality could have evolved is presented. Yet when there is a group such as ISIS that is acting in an obviously and out rightly immoral way, what does he liken them to?

[Qoute]You keep saying 'reasoning' as if these animals are capable of reason.

Animals. Incapable of reason. Therefore incapable of reasoning out what is moral or immoral. Animals.

"These animals" is a turn of phrase. Just because someone says "god damnit" doesn't mean they believe in God.

[Ahldagor]

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Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny that people like Kaga will defer to the animal kingdom when the subject of how morality could have evolved is presented. Yet when there is a group such as ISIS that is acting in an obviously and out rightly immoral way, what does he liken them to?

[Qoute]You keep saying 'reasoning' as if these animals are capable of reason.

"These animals" is a turn of phrase. Just because someone says "god damnit" doesn't mean they believe in God.

You're really ignorant of human-conceptual-constructions.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it illustrates that a base moral code exists in humanity. Or else nobody would be appalled at the atrocities we see in the world. We would just accept it as part of life.

Or it could mean that particular person thinks they will most likely come to harm from such a system instead of gaining from it. That doesnt show morality. It shows self preservation...an instinct all animals possess to a degree.

[Glenzig]

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Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny that people like Kaga will defer to the animal kingdom when the subject of how morality could have evolved is presented. Yet when there is a group such as ISIS that is acting in an obviously and out rightly immoral way, what does he liken them to?

[Qoute]You keep saying 'reasoning' as if these animals are capable of reason.

"These animals" is a turn of phrase. Just because someone says "god damnit" doesn't mean they believe in God.

So you don't think that they act like animals? You just used that as an illustration. If animals are inherently moral and empathetic, how does it serve as an illustration? There would be no meaning behind it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

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Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you don't think that they act like animals? You just used that as an illustration. If animals are inherently moral and empathetic, how does it serve as an illustration? There would be no meaning behind it.

You're splitting hairs at this point.

Just because I acknowledge that morality exists in the animal kingdom and can see evidence of it does not mean I'm claiming to know where the line is drawn as to whether or not all animals possess it and which ones do/don't.

I describe radical Muslims as animals in the same way that when I make a sandwich a tomato is a vegetable.

[leewong]

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Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're splitting hairs at this point.

Just because I acknowledge that morality exists in the animal kingdom and can see evidence of it does not mean I'm claiming to know where the line is drawn as to whether or not all animals possess it and which ones do/don't.

I describe radical Muslims as animals in the same way that when I make a sandwich a tomato is a vegetable.

This is where you and I disagree. We can definitely find traits like empathy, compassion, etc. in the animal kingdom but I wouldnt call that morality. Those are only traits we label as moral. Morality is a concept and concepts are formed by abstract thought. If an animal isnt capable of thinking abstractly then it cannot possess a morality. It can have traits that are moral to a morality possessing being like humans but cannot itself have morality.

[Glenzig]

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Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're splitting hairs at this point.

Just because I acknowledge that morality exists in the animal kingdom and can see evidence of it does not mean I'm claiming to know where the line is drawn as to whether or not all animals possess it and which ones do/don't.

I describe radical Muslims as animals in the same way that when I make a sandwich a tomato is a vegetable.

You're not ascribing any characteristics to the tomato. You're simply stating a fact. Stating that someone acts without moral reason would be stating a fact. When you say someone is acting like an animal, you are illustrating their actions by comparing them to something easily recognizable. An animal. Now if animals were inherently empathetic and moral, this illustration would fall flat. But everyone knew what you were saying. Everyone recognizes that animals act without moral compass.