Power leveling should be banned.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically you are making the case that people should play whichever way makes them the happiest, that is the most fun for them.

Do you not see the hilarious hypocrisy involved in then telling them that they have to play it exactly the way that you do and no other way?

You have stepped right into it, like about 50 others before you.

Not really hypocrisy, the PLer and PLee are happy while everyone else in the zone is not happy and forced to be relocated. I don't care if people are powerleveled as long as it's not at the expense of others.

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not see the hilarious hypocrisy involved in then telling them that they have to play it exactly the way that you do and no other way?

You have stepped right into it, like about 50 others before you.

exactly.

Noud, the reason you are getting flamed so much is mostly because of this.

Also, and I shouldn't have to explain this, denying xp for killing something twice your lvl or whatever is total BS. You can't stop powerleveling. Besides that, as long as the powerleveling doesnt affect you, you shouldn't care how other people play. Care about how you play, dont worry about anyone else.

As long as the guy doing the pl'ing isnt a total asshole, pl'ing is fine.

*edit* eqraven, its the definition of hypocrisy. He's not saying that people need to be nice when they PL. He's saying they shouldn't be able to play at all, because he wants people to slow down and play the way that gives the most enjoyment (in this case, the way he wants them to, not the way they want to). That's hypocrisy.

[Snagglepuss]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

please go lick some windows. why is it always someone with downs feels they have to call me out.

PROHINT: You're playing chess against another person, not Lady Vox or Lord Nagafen.

Check and mate.

Here's a perfect example of why players get frustrated. People resort to name calling and put downs.

Yes, you are playing chess against a person-- as you playing an MMORPG against other players. When you understand all the possible piece movements, mechanics, and methods much like a player understands a 12 year old game, it is going to make competition even fiercer and the game more challenging because the game has evolved.

There's nothing wrong with PLing- bottom line. But don't do it at the expense of others.

It's everyone's sandbox so don't shit in it.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Competing for mobs - of level - is fine by me. It's part of a shared world. Competing for level 15 mobs with a level 60 so they can PL a level 10, sucks. It's against the spirit of what "experience" means, and mocks the dungeon/zone in which it is done.

People who don;t originate in this genre, back when we had a live GM, don't realize the intent of experience. It's why skills level up as you use them. It is granted when earned. Live GMs take levels away for acting out of alignment. They certainly wouldn't be granting Xp for being Pled. It is obvious to anyone that examines EQ, that the server rules are trying to get of-level mobs/dungeons taken by of0-level characters. It no different than a live GM picking the correct of-level module for his players. You'd never see the GM pick a level 20 module for a level 50 player to run trough with his level 1 buddy. It's just a mockery and insult to the genre.

Its the video game mentality. EQ is an RPG with graphical enhancements, that is the intention. Pling on any level is an exploit against the intent put forth by the creators of the game.

I have a main, I had one from 1999-2010 on live. I had a ton of alts, and they all played the game and enjoyed all the levels - in all the zones. If people stopped worrying about levelling and enjoyed the game, then they wouldnt be bored levels 1-50, because they'd be chalenging all the content, not the same tired 5 areas that have max xp.

It doesn't matter what the intention of the gaming experience was meant to be. All that matters is what is, and what you can do with it.

[Tomatoking]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a little over reaction don't you think. I think how the OP is feeling most of us has felt at some point or another. If you never were annoyed by this, then you are in the minority.

yes this happened to me several times on red , you go spend all your money on pumices then when said person has a bunch of mobs on them you dispell all their buffs and jump on them and get a kill

problem solved

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Snagglepuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you are playing chess against a person-- as you playing an MMORPG against other players. When you understand all the possible piece movements, mechanics, and methods much like a player understands a 12 year old game, it is going to make competition even fiercer and the game more challenging because the game has evolved.

You are playing against an NPC, NPC's that have been slain over and over again until maximum efficiency is achieved (sometime about 10 years ago). All mechanics, methods and movements have been scoured over by hundreds of people over many years. All exp spots have been mapped out and loot tables readily available.

No new strategies have been invented, no new quests are available, you're not going to come up with anything ground breaker that hasn't been done before.

You talk about fiercer competition like it has ANYTHING to do with game mechanics and not to do with neckbeards and bat phones.

Please stop talking. You're clearly wrong.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

exactly.

Noud, the reason you are getting flamed so much is mostly because of this.

*edit* eqraven, its the definition of hypocrisy. He's not saying that people need to be nice when they PL. He's saying they shouldn't be able to play at all, because he wants people to slow down and play the way that gives the most enjoyment (in this case, the way he wants them to, not the way they want to). That's hypocrisy.

No, I'm saying they shouldn't PL because it is obviously not the intent of the game, nor in the spirit of the game. I'd say the same thing about using any exploit (which I believe Pling is, as is recharging via a merchant - its a bug).

It would be hypocrisy if I told them they have to get gear rather than buy - both are intended avenues. Or if I made the role play instead of power game. All I am looking for is for a common exploit to be eliminated or reigned back. It is only needed because people that cheat are not polite. They have zero people skillsas evidenced by most of their flames (NOT including yours - you're arguing a point not name calling with no basis).

I don't care if someone levels faster.,, why should I? I enjoy the game. If all Plers would do it somewhere where others are not affected, I don't care. But when they make a mockery of the games intent. while stopping me from doing the zone within the games intent (while I could be Pling - but I won't degrade the game), then I object.

I'd only want the rule, because the type of people that cheat, are also the type that don't care about anyone besides themselves, and as such have no issue using the bug to their advantage while screwing others.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter what the intention of the gaming experience was meant to be. All that matters is what is, and what you can do with it.

A total perfect picture of the new generation. Being polite, being ethical, taking your turn, anything that isn't totally for them and them alone is unheard of.

They do because they can. That's called barbarism. That's why society has rules. So, you can cheat in a variety fo games - do you cheat in all of them because you can.

If someone puts $1000 on a table in real like and walks away trusting you, do you take it? if so, I guess we have nothing to discuss, you're just not a good person.

[Noudess]

Its also funny, so many people saying nothing to do because contents been solved and optimized. What about actually role playing your race and class and having fun? Mobs and XP are just side effects and each new character is a journey to building a new life with personality.

Real life is the same way. I don't object to someone stealing because they will have more money than me, I object because it is wrong. I'm not jealous of anyone with no morals, I don't care what they have. I earn what I get, and take pride from it.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I'm saying they shouldn't PL because it is obviously not the intent of the game, nor in the spirit of the game. I'd say the same thing about using any exploit (which I believe Pling is, as is recharging via a merchant - its a bug).

It would be hypocrisy if I told them they have to get gear rather than buy - both are intended avenues. Or if I made the role play instead of power game. All I am looking for is for a common exploit to be eliminated or reigned back. It is only needed because people that cheat are not polite. They have zero people skillsas evidenced by most of their flames (NOT including yours - you're arguing a point not name calling with no basis).

I don't care if someone levels faster.,, why should I? I enjoy the game. If all Plers would do it somewhere where others are not affected, I don't care. But when they make a mockery of the games intent. while stopping me from doing the zone within the games intent (while I could be Pling - but I won't degrade the game), then I object.

I'd only want the rule, because the type of people that cheat, are also the type that don't care about anyone besides themselves, and as such have no issue using the bug to their advantage while screwing others.

ITT: PEOPLE THAT POWERLEVEL ARE CHEATING,LYING and EXPLOITING, but I don't care, as long as they don't do it around me, but if they take my EXP then they're cheaters and they lie and they exploit and and..