Lore items and "Body camping"

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My understanding is that 50 has an exp bar, and it fills up, and you can most definitely lose level 50.

I don't know what exp loss is like at 50, but in generally it seems to be about 3 blues since the 20s (just hit 40 last night), so he could probably die 8 or so times before needing to get in a regular exp group. Of course, if he's solo'ing the camp, he can probably make back the exp and then some if he wanted by the time the next FBSS drops.

No, a level 50 can most definitely NOT make up the xp from one death in 29 minutes at the frenzy camp. If the 50 farmer wants to leave multiple corpses at the camp to continue a farm fest, he will have to spend some time doing something else for xp. Even if it is only 30 min per corpse generated, it is still an extra cost and can only help dissuade that behavior.

Aeolwind, thanks for the response. I'm glad to know that the devs are working to restore the original mechanics.

[Olarid99]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a pretty hardcore Frenzy camper.

My reasons are mine, and I've almost finished with my goal. This means I'll stop taking it whenever I can, and holding it as long as I can.

For my part, I've never been asked to "yield" the camp, not by you, not by anyone. In fact, I've never seen Bootleg anywhere near Frenzy. And we were, I thought, friendly towards each other before.. whatever this is started.

I've been asked to List it, and I usually can't remember it by the end of the camp. I've left the camp to respond to a guild raid call and been chewed out by another necro because I forgot his "spot." That was you, Bones. =)

In short - there are several people who camp Frenzy, and as far as I know, there's no secret society that plans to lock it forever. You're just unlucky. Nothing is being done in Lower Guk that you yourselves cannot do yourselves, and this is simply a mask for a bigger issue - Camp Etiquette.

Do I die with FBSSes and save them on corpses? Yes. I do this and will stop when I've finished with the goal I've set for myself, which is almost through. You act as if I've been there the past three months, when it's actually been two days.

The problem lies in the fact that the server rules allow this to happen. If after seeing you there for 3 days and 8 corpses all with fbss's on them, it'd be about time to steam roll the camp, but here your protected so enjoy your plat on the free emu server!

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, a level 50 can most definitely NOT make up the xp from one death in 29 minutes at the frenzy camp. If the 50 farmer wants to leave multiple corpses at the camp to continue a farm fest, he will have to spend some time doing something else for xp. Even if it is only 30 min per corpse generated, it is still an extra cost and can only help dissuade that behavior.

Aeolwind, thanks for the response. I'm glad to know that the devs are working to restore the original mechanics.

I said time in between FBSS drops - not time between spawns.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

My bad. This is certainly much more possible :-)

The point remains though, that they would have to be actively at the keyboard killing multiple spawns to get their xp back instead of just afk 25 min, kill 3 spawns in 4 min, afk 25 min, etc etc. This presents a very different demand on their time and attention that raises the cost of the camp. Obviously it is still very doable. Will they still want to do it at the cost of having to fight to make back the xp? all of them? as often as they do now?

[rioisk]

tbh they need to get rid of camp rules. If somebody is an asshole their name will end up on rants and flames and their reputation blackballed. May be they'll get away with 1 thing but if somebody is continually being a jackass people will find out and will make life hard for this person.

If somebody is hogging a camp for weeks and keeping lore items on their body I think server population should be able to take it into their own hands to "fix" that problem

[girth]

Last thing I will say in this topic:

How can you claim that this server is going by the Play Nice Policy with shit like this going on? You cannot, good day sir.

[Olorin]

[QUOTE=Mleh;76218]On rallos zek if someone was solo camping something 2+ people came and killed them... and was a camp 24/7 as a 6 man group with a waiting list.

But I have NEVER seen a full group ever at AM/Lord/Frenzied, always an enc or necro solo/duo. I think the bigger issue is that people accept that its ok, and don't attempt to take.

BnB is a horrible and dangerous camp in general (crappy loot minus gcb), all these lvl 40-50 people never even consider doing lord/frenz?? IMO necro fd'd camping frenzied, 6 people walk in, gg solo camper: besides, I don't think ive ever seen a dead mob around frenzied camp either.[/]

Then the necro trains the group, group dies and now they have nasty cr's. Not really a viable solution.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bad. This is certainly much more possible :-)

The point remains though, that they would have to be actively at the keyboard killing multiple spawns to get their xp back instead of just afk 25 min, kill 3 spawns in 4 min, afk 25 min, etc etc. This presents a very different demand on their time and attention that raises the cost of the camp. Obviously it is still very doable. Will they still want to do it at the cost of having to fight to make back the xp? all of them? as often as they do now?

A capped 50 necro can easily make that exp up and re-cap LONG before another sash drops (unless they get extremely lucky), just by killing the 3 spawns.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A capped 50 necro can easily make that exp up and re-cap LONG before another sash drops (unless they get extremely lucky), just by killing the 3 spawns.

Yea, 50 exp is probably the least demanding level post 10 to fill up an exp bar, its goes extremely fast.

As for the topic, I wish I could find the post nilbog or Rogean made about "there were many bugs/exploits on live that arent bugs/exploits here, just because verant/sony took thier time to fix them doesnt mean were going to" somthing to that extent and this is very much a bug/exploit

edit: Found it http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...?t=7746&page=2

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second, while we aim to deliver the classicness the best we can, there are certain bugs that are simply that, bugs, and just because it took SOE so long to fix them doesn't mean it takes us the same amount of time. Some bugs can be left in, but most should be fixed.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Olarid99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem lies in the fact that the server rules allow this to happen. If after seeing you there for 3 days and 8 corpses all with fbss's on them, it'd be about time to steam roll the camp, but here your protected so enjoy your plat on the free emu server!

Know what's funny? The internet.

Eight corpses? Really? I wish I were that lucky. Three days? I don't have the stamina.

There's a game in kindergarten where children sit in a circle and whisper a phrase from one child to the next, until it goes full circle. That phrase is never what it was when it was first conceived.

But I think in this case, you're just making shit up. =)

For the Internet Record, I corpse banked FBSSes once, on one day when I was extremely, extremely, extremely lucky. I'd do it again if I were equally lucky another day, sure (never happen).. but just to let you know, I've only done it once, to date. For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth here, you'd think the Great Whore of Babylon broke through the stone slabs in the floor of the Blood Fountain room and, in a torrent of hellfire and guile, cajoled me into oppressing the melee of Norrath in exchange for pleasure and power in the physical world.

Corpse banking is extremely useful, and for more than just saving drops. If you're begging GMs to change the mechanic as a half-assed way to circumvent an entirely different issue - you want Frenzy camp and don't quite know how to go about it - then you are making a terrible mistake. Wait until Sebilis and Sky open and see.