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[godbox]

gear = skill?
also theres skill in eq?

amount of gear (skill) probly doesnt have much to do with how much time you have to play.
probly

[Alawen]

I can't believe I have to post this, but I'm going to repeat this truism for those of you who don't understand why anyone would pay for items they want in game:

Time is money.

That's not philosophical or metaphysical. It's fact. All of the physical items you think of as wealth are made from minerals, plant fibers and animal products. None of those things in their raw form are worth much when they're buried in the ground or in the middle of a jungle. Their value is determined by the human effort required to retrieve and refine them.

Can you think of an example of that last part? No, I didn't think so. Never mind.

[Sodapop]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not philosophical or metaphysical.

actually it's pixels. pixels rule the world. until you have experienced it, it will not make cents.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't believe I have to post this, but I'm going to repeat this truism for those of you who don't understand why anyone would pay for items they want in game:

Time is money.

That's not philosophical or metaphysical. It's fact. All of the physical items you think of as wealth are made from minerals, plant fibers and animal products. None of those things in their raw form are worth much when they're buried in the ground or in the middle of a jungle. Their value is determined by the human effort required to retrieve and refine them.

Can you think of an example of that last part? No, I didn't think so. Never mind.

"hey look that guy is so good at this game, look at all the gear he skillfully bought with his credit card, look at that toon that he payed someone else to pay for him, he is so good, how can i be that good?"

or

"hey that guild is best guild on the server, do you see all those accounts they RMTed that takes real skill, they just completely annihilated their competition with they phat pay-pal lewts"

do you see where im going with this? RMT makes it to where even the most worthless guilds and players can acquire the best loot in the game, with zero effort. and before you say "but but, time is money" which is absolutely correct except in regards to this game where people think time/money = skill, which couldnt be further from the truth

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"hey look that guy is so good at this game, look at all the gear he skillfully bought with his credit card, look at that toon that he payed someone else to pay for him, he is so good, how can i be that good?"

or

"hey that guild is best guild on the server, do you see all those accounts they RMTed that takes real skill, they just completely annihilated their competition with they phat pay-pal lewts"

do you see where im going with this? RMT makes it to where even the most worthless guilds and players can acquire the best loot in the game, with zero effort. and before you say "but but, time is money" which is absolutely correct except in regards to this game where people think time/money = skill, which couldnt be further from the truth

Do you understand the concept of false dichotomy? You present two possibilities here; they probably say more about your personality than anything else. You want to be recognized for your EQ skills. Good luck with that, backstab, backstab, backstab.

Consider this possibility: I am a young doctor. I used to be a struggling college student back in the day. I had time on my hands and a ranger with a cloak of flames and epics.

Now I make $300,000 a year, but I'm exhausted when I come home from work. I want to mess around on that ranger again, but I sure don't want to stare at empty boss spawns or respond to someone else paging me to log in. For less than I make in two hours, I can have my cloak and swords. I don't care if you're impressed with them. I just want them and I have the assets to easily obtain them and now I have them. Sometimes I just sit at character select and smile at my recreated ranger. Ah, the memories.

This is one of limitless scenarios for RMT that have nothing to do with your simplified e-peen stuff. I don't actually expect you to be able to grasp this. I sure am impressed that you have a rogue epic, though.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you understand the concept of false dichotomy? You present two possibilities here; they probably say more about your personality than anything else. You want to be recognized for your EQ skills. Good luck with that, backstab, backstab, backstab.

Consider this possibility: I am a young doctor. I used to be a struggling college student back in the day. I had time on my hands and a ranger with a cloak of flames and epics.

Now I make $300,000 a year, but I'm exhausted when I come home from work. I want to mess around on that ranger again, but I sure don't want to stare at empty boss spawns or respond to someone else paging me to log in. For less than I make in two hours, I can have my cloak and swords. I don't care if you're impressed with them. I just want them and I have the assets to easily obtain them and now I have them. Sometimes I just sit at character select and smile at my recreated ranger. Ah, the memories.

This is one of limitless scenarios for RMT that have nothing to do with your simplified e-peen stuff. I don't actually expect you to be able to grasp this. I sure am impressed that you have a rogue epic, though.

who's doing the dick swinging in this conversation? i like how you felt the need to direct your response as a personal dig towards me.(ya my main is a rogue, and a damn sexy one at that) but look bro noone gives a fuck about how much money you make or how you can transfer that money into pixels, my point is that RMT creates an unlevel playing field at best. and an unskilled playerbase at worst. ya i know this game requires very little effort besides "backstab, backstab, backstab." i mean technically the situation that you described(your RL) is alot more pathetic than the example i presented(just some shit that i made up on the spot) but whatever man to each their own, have fun jacking off to your RMTed ranger.

[Loly Taa]

I'm glad they lifted the RnF ban Tarath, I was getting bored of just seeing you rage at your own guild for sucking on their forums.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who's doing the dick swinging in this conversation? i like how you felt the need to direct your response as a personal dig towards me.(ya my main is a rogue, and a damn sexy one at that) but look bro noone gives a fuck about how much money you make or how you can transfer that money into pixels, my point is that RMT creates an unlevel playing field at best. and an unskilled playerbase at worst. ya i know this game requires very little effort besides "backstab, backstab, backstab." i mean technically the situation that you described(your RL) is alot more pathetic than the example i presented(just some shit that i made up on the spot) but whatever man to each their own, have fun jacking off to your RMTed ranger.

You're not too sharp, are you Tarathiel? There's this concept called a hypothetical situation. Are you ready? Here's your hint:

I am not a young doctor.

Incidentally, we've grouped before and I think you're an okay rogue except for all the disconnects. You stay at your keyboard, press your backstab and you come back after you lag out. Sometimes you even drag a corpse without dying yourself or anything! Well played, sir!

[LizardNecro]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of the physical items you think of as wealth are made from minerals, plant fibers and animal products. None of those things in their raw form are worth much when they're buried in the ground or in the middle of a jungle. Their value is determined by the human effort required to retrieve and refine them.

This is totally not a troll response, just putting that out there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bolded section (emphasis mine) is called the labor value fallacy. Value of a product is not determined by the human effort required to produce a good. What makes this common fallacy so appealing is that there appears at first glance to be a correlation between labor and value. However correlation does not imply causation. It is true that goods with high labor cost tend to be more expensive. But that doesn't mean that they are more expensive because of high labor cost. Economic theory postulates that value is simply what one will pay.

To put it in p99 EQ terms: If I'm going to buy a fungi from you, I don't care if it took you sixty hours of camping or sixty seconds. I'll pay the same price.

references:
1) http://www.thefreemanonline.org/feat...sic-valuequot/
2) http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/labor-theory-val.html

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by LizardNecro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is totally not a troll response, just putting that out there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bolded section (emphasis mine) is called the labor value fallacy. Value of a product is not determined by the human effort required to produce a good. What makes this common fallacy so appealing is that there appears at first glance to be a correlation between labor and value. However correlation does not imply causation. It is true that goods with high labor cost tend to be more expensive. But that doesn't mean that they are more expensive because of high labor cost. Economic theory postulates that value is simply what one will pay.

To put it in p99 EQ terms: If I'm going to buy a fungi from you, I don't care if it took you sixty hours of camping or sixty seconds. I'll pay the same price.

references:
1) http://www.thefreemanonline.org/feat...sic-valuequot/
2) http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/labor-theory-val.html

Very interesting. I found references to a book named "The Labor-Value Fallacy" by Moses Lewis Scudder and a mention of it in an article on "The Freeman" by Gary North. North, of course, is an extremist Austrian famous for his Y2K hysterics and his demonetization of fiat currency ala Ron Paul.

I have a paper due in a few hours that I have to work on, but I'll definitely revisit this with a little more research.