Where did WoW go right?

[fadetree]

Arguing about hardness in games is fail. People hate actual hardness. There's a few varieties of fake hardness...some prefer one over the other. Take your pick. But nothing is ACTUALLY hard until something tries to kill you in RL.

[Houdiny]

You obviously aren't reading what was said. The entire point of the argument has flown way over your head.

Tops stated that WoW offered a lot more in terms of raid difficulty. And that is a blanketed opinion. I am willing to bet that neither you nor tops played EQ very far. Especially when WoW came out.Therefor have no insight as to how hard the raiding was down the line. And to say that one was much better or harder than the other is a shot in the dark.

I can't say which one was harder, because I didn't play deep into WoW. But I did play a long ways into EQ and I know that raiding stepped up tremendously as the expansions and time went by.

And once again you have failed. I have no quams with WoW. Stating that it was easy mode and had welfare epics is a true assessment because I played that far and I know how easy it was. You don't want to hear the truth about WoW, so you take shots at me for stating the truth. WoW is easier and more for casual play. The developers will even tell you that. They target the casual player because that's what pays the majority of their bills. Simple as that. It doesn't mean it's a bad game. It doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

[Houdiny]

Giving people free level 50+ characters when they release an expansion = easy mode. Sorry man I'm not buying into your debate no matter how you try and church it up.

True story. I raided with an Enchanter in EQ for many years. We duo'd a lot of things with an Ench/Wiz combo. And when our guild on EQ finally caved in we went on to play WoW. Tried to get her into Vanguard later on but her computer wasn't good enough and she didn't have the money to upgrade it to be VG playable. She continued playing WoW. Shortly after her mom got into WoW. Then her dad. And now both her kids as well. The whole family is playing WoW now because one person played it. It was easy for them to pick up and play. And they get a lot of nice stuff for little to no effort.

Come back and tell me WoW isn't easy when you wake up. If a 65 year old women who doesn't even know how to use a computer can play and succeed in that game I don't know what else to tell ya. The writing is on the wall.

And of course I'm going to get defensive. Are you not reading what you are writing? You got all butt hurt when I spoke the truth about WoW. You lashed out, and in turn I got defensive. That seems to be the consensus of what I see. You called my posts stupid, of course I'm going to get defensive. Because I doubt very seriously that you even know what your talking about.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You get more and more defensive every time. You have no idea how far into EQ I played, nor have you asked, but it seems to be as far as you played. You admit not playing far into WoW, yet you're allowed to speak about WoW? Dumb.



Yes, we all know this, it was never being debated. An MMO game improved through time and expansions!?!? You are a so smart thanks!!!



You basically came into the thread starting an EQ vs WoW debate, when you had no experience with WoW at all. I honestly thought you were trolling at first, now I just pity you.

Explain to me the "easy mode and welfare epics". What was so easy? What were the welfare epics you received?

Yes WoW is more for casual play, we already stated that in the WHERE DID WOW GO RIGHT thread that you're posting in. We said its more accessible to a broader audience, thanks for selectively reading.

And again, explain to me why it was so easy.

I haven't played WoW in months, I just hate people like you who form opinions without having an actual opinion.

You insult the poster more than you defend the game. If people don't agree with you they're morons, elitists, eqfanboys. Realize that you are an irrational baby who hates anyone who disagrees with you.

Edit: I'll explain the problem with patch gear resets and also what aspects of wow are too easy, and the problem with it. Leveling: zero challenge. Zero. In eq leveling does take a challenge... maybe not "skill" but it takes patience, knowing what to do, preperation, etc. You can't just throw yourself at eq and hit max level. In wow you can. The problem with this is in wow the game doesn't start till max level, so the entire leveling process simply feels like a waste of time. In eq half of the fun is leveling.

The problem with gear resets every few months is that mmorpg's are about working for something. If you think that's elitist and you want a game where everyone has everything, why don't you idk play a game that ISNT an rpg? Part of the reason mmos can work is the illusion that you're progressing. If you never actually make any progress then you're just playing solely for the gameplay, and at that point remove the levels and remove the gear entirely. Make the only point of the game achieves. That's basically what you seemed to be saying when you replied to my post earlier.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game is about the end-game PVP/Raiding/Dungeons. The leveling experience is smooth and quick, as it should be. Although I'm sure some don't agree and that is fine.



Good for them, what is wrong with people having fun on a video game? You don't think a 65 year old woman could play EQ? I played EQ before I turned 10, EQ is easy. Same thing right? Also notice how they aren't playing EQ with you, ouch.



You are criticizing something, with no experience, in a topic about where did a game go RIGHT. You are simply off-topic, and derailed the thread, which seemed to be what you wanted, so no one could talk down your precious EQ (nobody did). I'm not butt hurt at all, to be honest your posts crack me up. Again, WHERE DID WOW GO RIGHT. You simply are putting down a game you admit to having no experience with, yet you are speaking the "truth", right...



Are you his whiteknight in shining armor? Did you even read the thread? He basically said EQ is more difficult and complex than WoW, and had no means to back it up, and also admitted he barely has played WoW. He formed an uneducated opinion, and I called him out for it, get over it.



Great, another guy who is here to defend EQ. We are on an EQ Classic forum, why do you need to defend EQ? It just shows weakness on your part. The leveling process in WoW is quick and enjoyable (or tries to be), not everyone can invest the time it takes to level in EQ. That is where the games differ, congrats on figuring that out. This thread is about where WoW went right, and your feelings differ from the majority, that's fine though. Many people see the accessibility of WoW as a plus, hence the purchases/subscriber base all these years. There is a reason P1999 (or even eq live) doesn't have millions of people playing.



Guild Wars 2 PVP is solely based around skill, and not gear (or very very little), and is a highly anticipated game releasing soon. Will it flop? Who knows. Some people enjoy even leveled competition. Why are FPS games BY FAR the most played video games? You tell me.

In WoW you do progress. You can have battleground gear, or achieve higher arena rated gear that not everyone has access to. You can do dungeons/raid finder, and have decent/good PVE gear, or you can work with your gear and complete the more difficult raids/raid versions, and get even better gear. The hard modes are truly hard, at least for a while, but you wouldn't know that, obviously.

What happens when you have the BIS gear here on P1999? You make an alt or sit in the EC tunnel. Seems similar to every MMO to me, but you think its different huh? K.

Confirmed: mad.

Dude... go get some social skills. Learn how to interact with others without raging like a fucking idiot.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so instead of addressing my points you want to name call and put me down. You could at least have done both! I also fail to see how I'm raging, I actually enjoy you rabid mouth breathers getting all bent out of shape for no reason. Like I said, we're on a classic EQ forum, I obviously enjoy EQ and play it, it's not like I'm saying EQ sucks, relax. You guys are the one hating on a game you haven't even played. Contribute to the topic or lets just move on [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't address anyones points. you just write over them and say "no you're wrong"

[Loli Pops]

Vanilla WoW sans BGs

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't address anyones points. you just write over them and say "no you're wrong"

You do the same thing but instead of writing over them you go off topic with ad hominem attacks in an attempt to evoke an emotional response. Grow up.

Square may be rude, but at least he makes good points and is attempting to steer the thread back on topic.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do the same thing but instead of writing over them you go off topic with ad hominem attacks in an attempt to evoke an emotional response. Grow up.

Square may be rude, but at least he makes good points and is attempting to steer the thread back on topic.

I'm willing to bet I have played wow more than he has. Anyways, mostly the point is that it's a waste of time to argue with someone that rude and annoying. He can't differentiate facts from opinions. You can't say someone is an idiot for disagreeing on why a game is fun or not fun(or say you're an eq fan boy that never played it). I'm not directing this at square himself because again, conversation with someone so beyond reason isn't worth the time.

edit: The reason im attacking him is mostly so that other posters can realize that it's best not to take a moron seriously. I already said my piece about wow and my experiences.

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm willing to bet I have played wow more than he has. Anyways, mostly the point is that it's a waste of time to argue with someone that rude and annoying. He can't differentiate facts from opinions. You can't say someone is an idiot for disagreeing on why a game is fun or not fun(or say you're an eq fan boy that never played it). I'm not directing this at square himself because again, conversation with someone so beyond reason isn't worth the time.

edit: The reason im attacking him is mostly so that other posters can realize that it's best not to take a moron seriously. I already said my piece about wow and my experiences.

It's funny, as I read through this response I notice that you have every quality that you seem to think that square has. Projection much?