Who smokes weed?

[Senadin]

Well he's right.... weed is a drug and so is caffeine and they both are addictive!

Potency, effects and long term effects (social/physical) are a totally different thing altogether, so i guess you are right too!



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[President]

Originally Posted by Senadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well he's right.... weed is a drug and so is caffeine and they both are addictive!

Potency, effects and long term effects (social/physical) are a totally different thing altogether, so i guess you are right too!



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Good sum up, I approve.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The obvious point everyone here is trying to make when they say "weed is not a drug" is that is should not be labeled as a drug in the same way that harder drugs are which is the status quo. Nobody walks around and calls tobacco a drug which really is the closest thing out there to weed. Obviously you wouldn't classify caffeine the same way you would classify crack even though under your handy little checklist they would both be considered addictive.
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Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine). You just agreed with the addictive statement by another poster on weed, remember. That i do not agree with myself btw, ONLY the psychological dependence, not physical has been proven.
Peop

The argument on people not calling tobacco a drug is also flawed, because I have yet to meet one person who did not in some way acknowledge tobacco and nicotine were a drug.

You also seem to misrepresent the argument at hand, so I ask again why exactly did this touch a cord in you?

Professionally we do not treat nicotine as we do crack, nor caffeine. Are they all addictive? Yes.
But that argument is inherently flawed sir presidente. Is a heart attack as fatal as a gun shot wound? Yes, it can be, circumstances depending im sure. Do you treat them differently? Yes. Yet they both remain medical conditions.

[Senadin]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine).
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Not sure in the US but isnt there a category for natural/health products?

I mean unless you're making brownies or something... lol Pot really isnt a food additive!

IMHO, that would fit the category much better. They already have medicinal marijuana anyway.


EDIT: a reason why to legalize it? The huge legal cost for folks who get caught with a few doobies. I dont smoke, btw i did long ago. How about kids who have a good future ahead of themselves but happen to be caught smoking? They arent really addicted yet and it screws up their life a fair ammount.

Dont worry, the US probably will never legalize it, Your big Pharma will make sure of that!

[President]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine). You just agreed with the addictive statement by another poster on weed, remember. That i do not agree with myself btw, ONLY the psychological dependence, not physical has been proven.
Peop

Can you please retype this in a fashion that makes any sense so I can respond.

The argument on people not calling tobacco a drug is also flawed, because I have yet to meet one person who did not in some way acknowledge tobacco and nicotine were a drug.

Well maybe you haven't, but to deny there aren't people out there who will look down on you for smoking weed while they take down a pack of cigarettes a day is ignorant.

You also seem to misrepresent the argument at hand, so I ask again why exactly did this touch a cord in you?

Haha.. yes.. Im misrepresenting it..

Professionally we do not treat nicotine as we do crack, nor caffeine. Are they all addictive? Yes.
But that argument is inherently flawed sir presidente. Is a heart attack as fatal as a gun shot wound? Yes, it can be, circumstances depending im sure. Do you treat them differently? Yes. Yet they both remain medical conditions.

I wasn't saying we do, you are the person who is only bringing in addiction into the argument when there are many other factors that go into drug classification.


Seriously dude, start making sense.

[President]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

This would be a debate/argument of epic size. One I have had before on other more debate/free-thought oriented web sites.

If you really wanna keep digging into the subject then make a new thread and ill be happy to (out of fun mind you, id like to keep the flames to a minimum). If not then we can just drop it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] your call, though I am logging in game now for some leveling.

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

Ignorance. Complete, utter, sheer igorance.

[Aeolwind]

The best thing about legalizing weed is the increased profit that would be seen by M&M, Mars, Lays, Pringles, Peter Pan, & Little Debbie.

On the other hand, I don't smoke weed....tastes like ass, smells like shit. I never do a drug that has that many similarities to an orifice.

Legalized weed will -never- happen. They are trying to CRUSH cigarettes, and based on the studies I've seen, 1 joint contains FAR more tar & carcinogens than cigarettes. Now, whether those studies were slanted one way or the other is up for debate. Health care companies DON'T want it: Lost revenue in rehab & increased cost in long term effects. Drug companies DO want it because then they can grow shit that will make your face melt off & make bitchin' profit.

Legalizing weed would create approximately 200000 jobs in the US (forgot citation): From regulation, to packaging, to cultivating, to sales. It would remove nearly 400000 people from prison (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53, validity undetermined), yielding 16,000,000,000 in recovered tax dollars(In prisons ALONE. This is not including the enforcement costs associated with the WOD; about 42 billion). This easily pays for government reg. Now, on top of that you gain taxes. If taxed similar to cigarettes (1.01$ a pack) at 20% of market value fed tax wages would reach nearly 8 billion dollars (avg of 35 billion spent on purchasing weed each year).

So, to me, from a capitalist stand point: Legalize it, tax it, remove the stigma, make people rich. Tax the seeds based on potential yield and you'll add another boat load in tax dollars.

It isn't the governments job to tell us what we can and cannot do. It is the governments job to make sure we can do it safely, within reason.

[President]

Originally Posted by eqdruid76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignorance. Complete, utter, sheer igorance.

Explain yourself.