Zimmerman / Martin Shooting

[Kruel]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...135200288.html

Wonder if there is going to be protests?

[Clark]

death to Zimmerman

[Kevlar]

"He was our meal ticket".

Love how they think.

[Supreme]

In Texas what Zimmerman did is called self-defense. He was being attacked by another person and legally used his firearm to protect himself. It is going to be hard to prove "murder".

BTW the charges against Zimmerman is bogus and when the dust settles you are going to see Zimmerman with a wrongful prosecution lawsuit against the Florida AG office for not presenting ALL the facts of the case to the grand jury for the "murder" charge.

[Groo]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone should have stayed the fuck in his car ~ just like the police told him to do when he made the 911 call. There would be no murder if he would have listened, instead he decided he was the law and initiated a conflict that resulted in death.

I agree. Interesting how so many people seem unable (or unwilling) to grasp this.

[Pico]

wow u mean to tell me that p99, a community known to be filled with bigoted rednecks with the average intelligence of a loaf of cheese, are siding against an innocent black child?

shocked i am shocked

[Groo]

No, I mean people in general. Most of the people posting in this thread get it, by far.

[Supreme]

Kid attacked armed citizen and was shot in self defense.

Seems to be pretty clear cut to me.

[blammo]

Sure glad I don't live in some conservative cowtown with small-minded bigots like the above poster where I'd hear their ignorant, unintelligent comments about a public execution of an innocent child.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kid attacked armed citizen and was shot in self defense.

Seems to be pretty clear cut to me.

Originally Posted by blammo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure glad I don't live in some conservative cowtown with small-minded bigots like the above poster where I'd hear their ignorant, unintelligent comments about a public execution of an innocent child.

Blammo, your comment is so full of fail and malicious fueled ignorance that it's people like you whom carry the crown and title of bigots.

The immediate problem with this case is that it's become a media frenzy that's strayed so far from the evidence that second hand information is becoming concrete for people who have really no idea what's transpired or is developing.

From day one we had opinions before we had facts. We've had teenage kids in schools around the country taking 'time off' to 'grieve' for the loss of some kid they never even met nor do they have any personal stake in the matter as they suffered some similar tragedy. They only share one thing in common, and that is the color of their skin.

Seems to me to get so worked up over something that is genetic and beyond your control, is about as small minded as one can get.

It also exudes racism as the focus is on race.

People who want to get to the bottom of the situation don't care about that, and that's where a lot of the public divide is.

Neither polar opposites are correct because they're skipping over vital information.
But to suggest that one extreme is more appropriate or correct is ridiculous and is why - thank God - that state and federal cases of this magnitude are not treated like the absurd civil law suits that you always read about.

The state only needs to do one thing - prove that George Zimmerman extended his rights under the Stand Your Ground Law - or in short that he chose the wrong method of escaping his attacker.

Read that again - escaping his attacker.

What people seem to ignore, is that the state is not questioning Zimmerman's right to self defense using lethal means, nor is it denying that Zimmerman may have been physically in fear for his life. This is because A ) Zimmerman is the only one that can tell the story of events B ) Witness reports and physical evidence support Zimmerman's case. The state's only angle is to find a way to make it look like Zimmerman DID have other options beyond using a firearm.

Hence why it's second degree murder and not first. If the state was trying Zimmerman as this 'racist hick with a hero complex and a gun' then it would be first degree murder.

This is why they are trying to character assassinate him with the money /bond scandal, the witness 9 molested family member and the push for a racial hatred background profile (performed by the FBI).

They want to establish that Zimmerman's word is shaky, and therefore the gaps in the story (where evidence cannot paint the picture) as told by him, are false which further leads to the suggestion that he's told his version in order to cover up the potential fact that he DID have another option beyond deadly force.

That is what the state is attempting to do.

What people THINK the state is attempting to do, is more or less hang a man for as you said it so eloquently "public execution of an innocent child"

Additionally, if the public would do a bit of research, there's enough information out there now where you can get a strong time line of the events, including aerial shots of the neighborhood that pinpoints where things took place. In accordance with witness reports (the credible ones that is..not the story changers every five minutes) and the statement made by Zimmerman and etc, you start to realize a few things are myths.

Myth 1 :

Zimmerman aggressively pursued Martin.

Reality :

We don't know that for sure, and by the phone recordings if he did, it was for a very short time.
Additionally, the odds of him catching the younger lighter Martin are slim. He may have ran after him, but he wouldn't have caught him, surely Martin knew this.

Myth 2:

After told by 911 operator to not pursue (note the word 'not' instead of 'stop'), Zimmerman did so anyways.

Reality:

Zimmerman as far as we can tell only jogged a short distance, losing sight of Martin and went back to his truck.

Myth 3:

Zimmerman caught up with Martin and assaulted him.

Reality:

As mentioned above, this is highly unlikely physically speaking. And you would have a hard time showing how Zimmerman assaulted him, given Trayvon had very little marks on his body where he was in a defensive state.


Here's how it seems it went down, and why the state has a low chance of pinning the crime of murder.

-Zimmerman arrives at the complex/area and notices a person who he considers suspicious looking based on the person's attire, body language and general activity.
-Trayvon Martin notices that Zimmerman is watching him and makes eye contact.
-Zimmerman calls emergency operations/911 and reports a suspicious person. Shortly after, Martin has gone out of sight briefly. Zimmerman leaves his vehicle and informs them he is trying to get closer to have a better look. 911 dispatch says that is not necessary.
-Zimmerman by this time has lost full sight of Martin and decides to stop the pursuit (phone records show his breathing changed back to normal).
-While returning to his vehicle he is confronted by Martin (while Martin is still on the phone with his girlfriend).
-Words are exchanged by the two and Zimmerman decides to call 911 again. Before he can properly, an altercation/scuffle breaks out - as confirmed by Martin's girlfriend.
:Insert audio and visual witness reports concerning the fight:
-Zimmerman shoots Trayvon Martin at close range.
-Zimmerman not sure he has hit or mortally wounded Martin, asks a bystander to call emergency services.


Heres what I think happened

Zimmerman was on his way to wherever (Target he said?) rolling up in the neighborhood and something caught his eye. He slows down to check it out and stops. Trayvon Martin catches Zimmerman watching him and goes into defensive mode( because that's how kids are raised these days in our society where we point fingers and blame others before blaming ourselves - especially ethnic children who are told they are underprivileged from day one and brought up to think the world owes them something - this changes with each new generation. Back in the day, regardless of anything, young people generally would assume they were in the wrong in this case, wondering why someone was staring at them. Now days, the kids would assume that they aren't doing any wrong and never do any wrong. The person staring must be the one with the problem).

Trayvon carries on walking, but now has a bit of attitude in him, bit of chip on his shoulder. Zimmerman begins to pursue Martin whom is now out of sight, however Martin knows Zimmerman wouldn't be able to catch him in a sprint, he also knows that he can get to his destination/house within half a minute and he'd most likely not see Zimmerman ever again. He's on the phone to his girlfriend talking about it, when really he should be running home. He's telling his girlfriend about it, probably getting worked up that old honky/wetback would dare eyeball him. Dee Dee his girlfriend says for Trayvon to more or less let it go, but he ain't having that, so he's going to show old whitey what's what.

He reapproached the area and confronts Zimmerman, talks some smack to him, and throws a punch. Zimmerman buckles, Martin pounces on him and starts the attack. Zimmerman manages to eventually get some respite from the onslaught and takes the opportune moment to fire his weapon and hope it at least stuns Martin into relinquishing his attack.

Zimmerman is successful and Martin is dead.

The key things to note are that :

Martin could have run, hell he could have walked to his destination and nothing would have happened.
Martin didn't have to go back and confront Zimmerman.
Martin did not have to attack Zimmerman. When he punched him, it was assault, when he took it to the ground it was felony assault and when he slammed Zimmerman's head it was attempted murder.

The reason I find that so many people are trying to defend Trayvon Martin's case is because they fear the reality is Trayvon did this to himself by being the aggressor and it doesn't matter if Zimmerman was walking behind him while heavy breathing and saying 'hey ****** ****** ****** hey little ****** your mother's a whore,' that still does not give Martin the right to physically assault George Zimmerman. So instead they're trying to paint the picture that Zimmerman is lying and could have at least used other means to escape Martin's attacks.

And that's why I said at the beginning about what the state is attempting to do. They realize the evidence is not in their favor.

The short of it is, it's second degree murder, and they need proof beyond a doubt that George had no other way out of his situation.
Since they don't have that it, we will most likely end up with a hung jury, Zimmerman walks. Then both families sue the state of Florida for compensation in civil court.