Trakanon Rotation

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suspect that if VD came out and said, OK no blurring mobs, (maybe) no training, we just want a chance to fight for the mobs in VP FTE, that TMO would respect that. Note, I did not say, TMO would give UP the mobs, but we'd respect that I think.

Once it becomes apparent that VD is capable of downing VP dragons with roughly 50% regularity, I suspect a rotation would be established in fairly short order. I suspect most players on BOTH sides would be completely willing to just set everything aside and say: here are some good rules, let's work it out.

Sums it up, no freebie.

Metallikus, you've said it yourself, you've competed well in the last month getting more Trakanon than any other guild on the server.

Everquest is a highly competitive game, there is no fun in just steamrolling mobs, the fun is in actually beating your competition to the mob.

I invite you guys to come and compete with TMO in VP, no trains, FTE rules. Whoever gets the pull gets the mob.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol blue server
oh dang, this isnt in rnf already. my bad

How about you PL my god damn monk !!

[Maze513]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I invite you guys to come and compete with TMO in VP, no trains, FTE rules. Whoever gets the pull gets the mob.

VD too thick headed for this...

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just admit that you want to be casual and rotate because you want loot but you can't or don't want to put the effort in to prove it to us legitimately.

I'm a bard. I have a selo's drum, I couldn't care less about loot. What is a Selo's BP going to give me that I wouldn't want a Sarnak Emblazoned Tabard for? I just want to see the game that I missed when I played Live.

But please, keep saying I am doing this for the loot. That Claw of Phara Dar is going to help my DPS immensely!

[quido]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I invite you guys to come and compete with TMO in VP, no trains, FTE rules. Whoever gets the pull gets the mob.

This is the most worthwhile suggestion I've heard from anyone so far.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heh, rotations.

i generally don't comment on blue server issues. but i have a question for you guys;

EQ is a competitive mmo based around the downing of mobs. downing the mob provides a sense of accomplishment provided only because of the competition from other guilds for those same contested mobs. i seriously doubt any of you feel like you did big things by downing a mob that is 12 years old, and has "how to kill" strats posted everywhere on the web, all the while there is absolutely no competition for the mob it self.

and so my question is this; if u remove the competition to downing a mob, what sense of accomplishment does killing the mob give you?

I like the races to the kunark outdoor dragons, draco, CT, vox and naggy. They aren't poopsocked for the most part. I agree with you that I wouldn't want those rotated.

I hate when VS, Trak or Inny are late in window because they are poopsocked to all hell. As a casual player who doesn't have the luxury of logging in whenever I feel like it, I dread when these mobs are late in their windows because it means when I get a chance to log in I either sit at a spawn, do something else and feel guilty that I'm not supporting the guild that has supported me, or just don't log in at all.

Anyway, I make it a point not to participate in these discussions and I'm trying to sound guild-neutral. I just wanted to point out that your assumptions about racing and accomplishment being better than rotating breaks down when the actual racing is removed from the equation. At least for me.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I invite you guys to come and compete with TMO in VP, no trains, no memblurs, FTE rules. Whoever gets the pull gets the mob.

FTFY

[Alkorin]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO / IB did not compete for their first VP dragon kills. GM intervention gave them 3 dragons each on release. They fought for a min after that, but then decided to rotate instead. What gives TMO the right to deny VD a chance at the same pie? Instead they chose to compete by raid interfering while on suspension, so VD returns the favor by competing with raid interference now. All of a sudden they can't kill mobs in VP, so raid interference shouldn't be allowed.

Can you read?

I'm suggesting that TMO give VD a chance to fully clear VP within a certain time frame. If you guys can't do the job without interference, what right do you have to even be in there ruining it for others?

Be reasonable?

[Silentone]

Dont worry since VP is now a exploit free dungeon, we are dupping characters and dragons, no more issue's with memblur...drive thru..

[Lanuven]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a notoriously COMPETITIVE pve game. you are right in that VP is an entirely different animal insofar as that training and griefing were allowed, and as such, VP is not an acceptable zone to use as an example of comparison, because as u said, the rule set is unique in that single zone. but in the rest of the world, the rules still apply. and i never once suggested pvp, so i dunno where that comment of yours originated from.

but lets stick to Trak as the thread is titled, you say you will answer grief with grief and competition with competition. but in regards to trak, it sounds like (at least to me) some people want to respond to competition by not competing and instead just having mobs handed to them.

and my point is that there's no challenge in the actual killing of mobs. it's the other rival guilds that make the encounter challenging.

<3

Being handed a mob is very different from being allowed to have a chance to kill it. This game is old and allot of people here have already done this before on live. id say other than VD and TMO , all the other guilds on teh server do not want to, or will not poopsock trak. How are guilds that could possibly be able to kill him, that dont want to sit on ledge for 3 days just to get involved in the FTE, gm log reading, handing out loot based on her decision, ever gonna get a shot ? Why not let those guilds have a chance when its their turn and if they fail, they fail.

No ones asking for handouts, just a legitimate attempt. We are not our former 13 year old eqlive versions of ourselfs and have jobs and families to take care of now, rather than be on dragon watch for 24 hours a day. Those guilds who already have and are killing said targets should not be so greedy and make the server as a whole, fun for everyone.