Three step plan to fixing P99 blue endgame

[messiah_b]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a hard time believing that, at least for the majority of people. Everything I see raided someone there needs something from. I sure hope you're not right.

You are half right. 99.9% of the people as individuals on this server are not like that, but the second they get into a 30 strong raid - group mentality kicks in and whether or not they like it the group is not playing nice. When called out all the individuals say "But not me I'm good!"

Say Guild B to shows up second to a pop. Yes they want the loot, but now someone beat them to it so now it's a matter of getting that other group to fail first. So they will roll monks up into the other person's camp to 'check it out', but they pulled 10 mobs on the way they 'didn't know about', and now they wiped 'what a shame', well now we're the only ones with raid force.

Over time with more and more guilds sitting on targets it's easy to see how the game becomes about keeping other's down.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by bluejam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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A simple fix to this would be making the big targets spawn 52 times per year at complete random times as proposed months ago - lesser target 72 times or something.

This is interesting. I don't know about 52 times a year... as that might mean all of the targets spawn within 2 months, which would be more non-classic than having a variance. Maybe something like.. 2 (7 day) spawns guaranteed over 2 weeks? I'm not saying this will happen, but if it's better than what we have, keeps people entertained, and lessens work for us, it's a good suggestion.

Raiding folks, what potential banes or boons would happen if a system like this was enacted? Speculate.

What bugs me the most is no comment whatsoever why this or that system doesn't appeal to the server staff. There're solutions, but none seem to hold up to their standards?

First time I've read this particular proposal. I don't have a chance to read every post in every thread, but I try. Can't speak for the rest of the staff.

[Frieza_Prexus]

If they spawn individually it'll just lead to more tracking. Guilds give DKP out for that, and there's always someone willing to track a big target. At least the variance gives some level of certainty.

Now, if all the repops are simultaneous, like a patch day, that is another story.

As unclassic as it is, the FTE Shout is still the simplest and most elegant solution in my opinion.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now, if all the repops are simultaneous, like a patch day, that is another story.

This is what I meant.

[Flunklesnarkin]

For sure i'd say start of small.



FTE shout is the simplest thing to implement that could fix the GM's having to sort out each contested raid target.


Keep it simple.

[Frieza_Prexus]

It'd be a big change, but I like the concept. Patch days are really fun, but it always sucks to miss them. However, you'd still have a lot of FTE issues whenever 2 guilds head for the same target.

[Kender]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a hard time believing that, at least for the majority of people. Everything I see raided someone there needs something from. I sure hope you're not right.

then how do you explain people killing brother beltin when he was bugged simply so other monks couldn't get their epics?

people DO kill mobs just so that others miss out. what makes raid targets any different?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is interesting. I don't know about 52 times a year... as that might mean all of the targets spawn within 2 months, which would be more non-classic than having a variance. Maybe something like.. 2 (7 day) spawns guaranteed over 2 weeks? I'm not saying this will happen, but if it's better than what we have, keeps people entertained, and lessens work for us, it's a good suggestion.

Raiding folks, what potential banes or boons would happen if a system like this was enacted? Speculate.

First time I've read this particular proposal. I don't have a chance to read every post in every thread, but I try. Can't speak for the rest of the staff.

Well rather than 52x per year, what you want is 52/ticks-per-year chance per tick. I.e. totally random. The advantage here is that you simply cannot poopsock unless you are willing to wait weeks.

But the big thing that I have been saying for months is we need more server reboots with full pops. It's utterly classic - Verant was patching all the time. It gets a few more raid items into the economy which are sorely needed considering our top heavy/highly involved player base. And it makes reduces raid disputes simply because guilds will tend to prioritize different targets.

Whether this is true or not, it feels to me like the admins have gradually lost interest in the server over the past few months. But I think the raid scene has simply gotten worse and worse and really come to head in the past two weeks.

[Lazortag]

ANY system with simultaneous respawns is better than what we have now, and lessens work for the GM's. To give an extreme example, if you have a +/- 50 day variance on every raid mob, then when a raid mob spawns it will almost always be the only raid mob that's up, which means every willing raid guild will be there, which means you will get more confrontation and more possibilities for FTE disputes. But if you have simultaneous respawns, inter-guild confrontation is a lot less likely to occur.

It's also much more meritocratic, because it requires mobilization and emphasizes poopsocking ability much less.

I'd suggest that maybe this get discussed in the raiding guilds forum also.. we never seem to use that forum for anything.

edit: to be clear though the respawns would have to be for all mobs on the same timer, so if you have two 7 day spawns every two weeks, then similarly you need something like 7 three day spawns every three weeks for the mobs like Trak, Draco and Maestro that are on 3 day timers.

[Taminy]

My 2cp.

Yep simulated patch days are by far the best solution and moreover they are the most classic solution. No guilds in classic dominated targets like this. Sure there were 1-3 top tier guilds per server, but the second tier guilds did actually get some targets. Here the second tier guilds get absolutely nothing. A lot of us have been so frustrated we've quit or reduced our playing time substantially. The top tier guilds here are no more hardcore than they were on live and the second tier guilds are no less capable (other than decimated numbers) than they were on live - it's just that the deck is stacked against them. It really is Everquest: Unemployed Edition as someone else did.

Racing and possibly wiping (pardon the later pun) or forcing another guild into wiping is far more fun than poopsocking. The race is fun. Sitting there with finger on the midnight mallet key for hours or mashing the track button until it wears out is not.

Punishment should be harsher, assuming it fits the crime. Certainly there should be more perma bans - but far more importantly, suspensions should be longer. One week is not enough. One month would be better. One week is a well rested and deserved vacation from poopsocking, not a punishment. Especially with the variance... 2 or 3 guilds absolutely dominating every single spawn for 3+ months then they eventually get a 1 week suspension? Pretty much seems like "BFD" to me.