All Hail The Queen

[Autotune]

unless encounter logs reset after each DT, whoever has the FTE is going to be shown at the top.

Doesn't matter if someone took a DT 5seconds after or prior if it doesn't reset, he still has FTE.

If inny never disengaged, pennand had fte.
if he did disengage after the dt, pennand shows as FTE, then it's FTE.

Unless the logs were misread, or they reset after each DT, i don't see how someone can be listed as having FTE and not actually have it.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Just spitballing this... what if the server rules were modified so that for raid targets, whichever guild has the first person (not pet) to die to the mob when it spawns claims the mob and has X amount of seconds to engage it before it becomes FFA?

If the first thing the mob does is deathtouch someone, then clearly that guild has "First to Die" rights.

If the mob spawns and one-shots someone with melee first before the deathtouch, we can see that happen and then that guild has "First to Die" rights.

The major obstacle is that we, as players, can't interpret FTE without the help of a GM. We can, however, see who had First Death. You can play all sorts of games if you want... keep players at 1 HP for low HP aggro, sit them down, stare at space and cycle Target Nearest and Auto-Attack... whatever you think works, but in the end, when the mob spawns and there's more than one raid force within aggro radius, whoever eats the first death.

Or is there some rules-lawyering around that I haven't considered?

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

unless encounter logs reset after each DT, whoever has the FTE is going to be shown at the top.

Doesn't matter if someone took a DT 5seconds after or prior if it doesn't reset, he still has FTE.

If inny never disengaged, pennand had fte.
if he did disengage after the dt, pennand shows as FTE, then it's FTE.

Unless the logs were misread, or they reset after each DT, i don't see how someone can be listed as having FTE and not actually have it.

As I understand it, the actual inny logs weren't reviewed while perun was on the corpse, Amelinda had to make a decision based on the best information available to her, which is that inny usually goes into seek mode after his initial DT - if he DTs the first person that aggros him before anyone else gets on the hate list.

Since the initial DT didn't happen until multiple people were on the hate list, the logs didn't clear, but that wasn't known until rogean pulled the logs. Again, AFAIK, the ability to pull logs from the database is something that Amelinda didn't have until a day or two ago, so she was unable to see what was in them at the time of the inny dispute.

I don't know why no one told you this, but we've known since the day after inny.

There are plenty of things you can rightfully be upset about. Having no one empowered to settle raid disputes who cared enough to do so for 6 months should probably be at the top of that list, and is the main reason raiding shenanigans reached this level. Being mad that a guide made a decision with the best information available at the time and rightfully reversed it once the logs were available shouldn't be anywhere on that list.

Let's all play by the rules so it doesn't come to this again. Wouldn't that be easier?

[Rusl]

Shiftin while I completely agree with you, logic has no place in RnF sir. More drama please, I need something to read at work tomorrow.

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shiftin while I completely agree with you, logic has no place in RnF sir. More drama please, I need something to read at work tomorrow.

I need something more to read at work RIGHT NOW.

Please continue.

[Kassel]

Chowda gets aggro - FTE
Penand's pet hits inny
Inny hits chowda due to previous aggro (note he did not hit the penand's pet)
Nlaar hits inny
Inny DT's Chowda
FTE chain is still alive due to Nlaar hitting inny prior to DT.

How this pans out? only Amelinda knows for sure.

[Autotune]

so basically we are setting the precedent that all raids will be reviewed days after to see who actually has FTE as no one who actively polices the server can tell us.

[Shiftin]

You missed the part where Amelinda is a GM now and not just a guide? The solution to this madness has been a long overdue one of powers granted to someone who cares about enforcing the rules.

[Motec]

Until people all play by the rules I'm happy to loot every raid mob and let amelinda gank the shit from me later. Fucking children. And we have this awesome rotation going and some mutual respect.

[Dravingar]

Good...Bad....She's the girl with the gun.