How 2 Kill Nagafen Nihilum Style

[Amuk]

I mean honestly, if shits being exploited - I'm fine with it, I don't think Holo were too worried about it. Once we hit 50 we shit on you guys, corpse camped Reikar about 30 times and went and killed the dragon in the exact same way.

If we knew that there would be some random GM appearance after two months of the server and hand out suspensions we would have just done him legit once more logged on.

It really is a learning experience, I guess with a new server and new gm's we assumed it wouldn't be such biased GM enforcement - and that's probably what ppl are annoyed about. I honestly just assumed noone cared, which is probably still half right.

[Supreme]

Discovering a bug and exploiting a known bug is two things entirely different.

You know this, so does anyone that ever played high raid content in Everquest. No one "wants" to get a free kill by exploiting...which is why it was surprising when all of this went down.

But Rogean looked at it from your side and realized that perhaps the punish was a little harsh and recended it. I am glad he did and i wish that you guys could just be glad for that and move on.

[Amuk]

Typical spinning, I'm fine with it - and probably won't post again. A screenshot of a guild exploiting, laughing about the AE that won't hit, and 0 discussion about anything relating to the bugged dragon clearly shows that you just stumbled upon it. It's all just speculation, and infact you will be getting your shit pushed in again shortly, enjoy your uncontested Naggy for a couple weeks.

[Supreme]

See you then.

[Labanen]

Vox AoEs, heals and fears just like she is supposed to, thats the reason the fight lasts so long and why people die during the cause of it.
We have the organization to deal with it though. And we do not mind a GM come watch over our shoulders to see if its done legit, in fact we welcome it. When Vox accidently agroed on us and got stuck in the wall it took several attempts and quite a few deaths to drag her out of there and reset properly so we could do a real attempt, then a GM would ve come in handy.

Also due to the intense trolling on these boards im sure an extra watchful eye is being kept on any dragon kill, and thats just fine. I can tell you dont believe me on this, maybe you re right, tbh its not easy to see if there is a hidden gm in zone... but I am sure there is more often than you think on big fights, and thats not gonna get less when the shit gets more contested. Doubt its for fun that Rogean just made a call for more guides too apply.

Noone in Nihilum wants to fight a 32k hp pillow, we dont have huge numbers for these fights and we want the challenge. And even though its completely immature over content which is this old, its still a rush when you do it, because it takes cooperation to succeed still. Of course the tactics arent groundbreaking, and its been done before by others... MANY others, still fun when it works though. Last Vox kill i was at, took like 45 mins or so on the succesful attempt and it was cool to see the guild working like a fucking machine for that long, and i and many others present got a real kick out of it.

The double standard story is just wrong, Amelinda or whoever that would be present, would be just as happy to swing the banhammer at me or anyone in our guild as she would on you if either of us did something to deserve it.

I hold you in some esteem for your actions ingame Nirgon, I mean, clearly you d stick an Ice comet up my ass on next given opportunity, but thats some of what this server is all about, and luckily if i am just half sober then clerics dont die too easily. Still you certainly had some class when we did trades, so all this forum-rage seem below what i would expect. Have alittle respect for your opponents and just a tiny tiny bit more faith in the GM system then you do currently.

[Amuk]

Amelinda has been there for the last two dragons, noone disputes that you are doing them legit now, I think the 13 ppl with 6 lvl 50s, and healers nuking was the issue - this horse is beaten, and I just got sucked into another post aah.

[Labanen]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this horse is beaten

fine, i agree. Prolly as good as any ending that can be achieved in a RnF post...

[pojab]

glad that you guys are able to do them legit now with 0 competition on the server.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Bruuce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

still cant see a difference between being warned not to intentionally exploit and doing it anyways, and (wasnt present at this raid so idk really) killing a mob that may have unintentionallt bugged out after putting x amount of time into the encounter?


k bro.

I think if you peel the bull shit away and realize time invested is an obfuscation of what's going on here (original SS evidence), along with the little snickery comments in there:

NAGAFEN GOING TO AE IN 12 SECONDS (LUL YA RITE), INC CH HUGHMAN (TROLOLOL LIKE IT MATTERS).

You can see that these kills have never been legit. "Hey let's do Vox next lol". Any attempt to save face at "well it was an accident so we're allowed to keep the loot" is just shockingly stupid to use as a defense... except when the deciding party accepts it.

There's doing it one time as an accident. Great, he'd still be alive after that kill and you'd all be better men for it. But that's not the case, both dragons have been killed several times including again after 100 pages of threads making light of it and exposing the truth.

My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?

->Knowing that a mob will bug out, then fucking with it for 3.5 hours and claiming the loot is yours to keep as legit each time, no suspensions or guild disband.

-> Not only Keeping the loot, but now beliefs are in place that mobs are being killed legitimately.

Let's be hypothetical here for a second-
I'm curious to see the result of our same force, let's call it 18 people, wiping you out in Lavastorm for an hour or two. Then, we start doing pulls and one of you stumbles in noticing we have the dragon in the same locations, pushing it into the wall.

What do I think will happen?

I see you guys running to the GMs again and us getting in an unreversable, absolute, shit ton of trouble. AKA all of us perma/IP banned.

History repeats itself:
->enemy guild exploits dragon, exploit is reported and petitioned along with screen shots. No one suspended, no guild disbanded, presumably loots are now being kept.

-> guild returns from suspension knowing the strat that is currently being witnessed and claimed as legit, wipes out enemy force, repeats strategy... receives punishment? Hmm.

That said, what do we do from here? What is permissible on a kill? I can't imagine "accidentally" getting the dragons to bug out for a .. what, 10th time is going to be OK?


I'm kind of repeating myself from the above here again but...

Apparently pushing it into or otherwise pulling it into a wall to get it to stop aoe'ing is cool beans, given we continue /gu'ing our CH rotation and breath timers over the course of a few hours. But this tactic, like the stolen one previous is known now. Whether or not we do decide to act upon it or not (and be at a disadvantage loot-wise) is up to us, and enforcement thereafter by the GMs.

^ What choice would any of you make?

Consider next coming Monday we log in and do this, what do you think will happen to us? Us being "the bad guy" aside, and perhaps perma-banned if we do make the decision, what happens to your guild when you're then in this situation?

I'm very interested in opinions outside of Holo/Nihi.


Mine? Leash the dragons until this push into a wall shit is fixed. Problem solved.

[Nirgon]

My question to you, those not involved, is - How is this not backwards and stupid, and shocking that someone would believe it?

Let's rephrase that to - expect someone to believe that. Namely, Nihilum / forum nut hangers. I realize that this may be taken as an insult to the staff which it is not.