One spell to rule them all

[Kringe]

756 Dmg to be exact... And on Classic Cresh could be right, for quite some time Ice Comet landed for 1144dmg before they nerfed the spell dmg to 66%..


Tmoneynegro... Im calling Bshit as usual... I was the top geared warrior during Velious, having insane resists with lohen at my side all the time, Kaaq (as seen in the screenshot Darw's thread, could still land Sunstrike "rarely for 1610" but for 800-1000 alot during velious, but it just wasnt as efficient to cast as Lure of Ice (you were guaranteed around 850dmg), and thats with Fire/Cold being almost 300, more if lohen was twisting.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Kringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tmoneynegro... Im calling Bshit as usual... I was the top geared warrior during Velious

How come I didn't see you at Test of Tactics PvP tournament finals where I was also playing a warrior in Velious? lol

Originally Posted by Kringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kaaq (as seen in the screenshot Darw's thread, could still land Sunstrike "rarely for 1610" but for 800-1000 alot during velious

And here's a guy in the year 2000 saying there was a 50% resist rate on ice comet with 120CR.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...88&postcount=5

Full resist rate was obviously much higher than 1 in 30 casts. It was at least 25-30% with 120CR from my recollection. When I PvP'd against druids on my monk, they didn't even bother casting nukes on me, just spammed dots over and over. I remember Darwoth nuked me for like 60-70% of possible damage one day and I looked at my screen surprised that it actually landed. Darwoth was the only druid that even attempted to use mana nuking me. That guy Amreet only cast dots every time. Same with Dharma on SZ.

When I got nuked with 120ish resists, about 1/4th were full resist, 1/4th 25% damage, 1/4th 50% damage, and 1/4th 75% damage.

Next is a post from Luclin era (after resists were changed for spells to land easier) where a guy says sunstrike hit him for 1100 out of possible 1600 damage with 120resist.

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthr...l=1#post131439

[Kringe]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How come I didn't see you at Test of Tactics PvP tournament finals where I was also playing a warrior in Velious? lol

Um ToT was held before Velious In Kunark where my pal fiegi represted and RZ won.... (Warrior Botb was in Kunark where I hadnt really switched to the warrior class yet)

And the next big ToT was the 18vs 18 where I was in it, and we defeated 3 teams then lost to TZ (I think cause one of our bards didnt show up) and not having 3 bards in that was gg... Was still a blast tho..

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And here's a guy in the year 2000 saying there was a 50% resist rate on ice comet with 120CR.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...88&postcount=5

Full resist rate was obviously much higher than 1 in 30 casts. It was at least 25-30% with 120CR from my recollection. When I PvP'd against druids on my monk, they didn't even bother casting nukes on me, just spammed dots over and over. I remember Darwoth nuked me for like 60-70% of possible damage one day and I looked at my screen surprised that it actually landed. Darwoth was the only druid that even attempted to use mana nuking me. That guy Amreet only cast dots every time. Same with Dharma on SZ.

When I got nuked with 120ish resists, about 1/4th were full resist, 1/4th 25% damage, 1/4th 50% damage, and 1/4th 75% damage.

Next is a post from Luclin era (after resists were changed for spells to land easier) where a guy says sunstrike hit him for 1100 out of possible 1600 damage with 120resist.

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthr...l=1#post131439

That guys is already posting from the Kunark Era (hence the talk about splurt) resisted had a few minor tweaks (nothing major) when it was released.

Who was your monk on RZ?

Anywho,
Resists can be argued till our face turns blue, but I pretty much think we are ALL in agreeance that the Pillage/Nullify line definitely shouldnt be resisted by players.

[Sorath]

756.999999999 damages to be exact.

[Bockscar]

Ahem... so under 200, fr/cr pretty much doesn't do anything, and 300 is the point where you start averaging 40-50% reduced damage? That has got to be the most far-fetched shit ever to be claimed on this forum. It's so absurdly inaccurate that I'm having trouble believing Kringe is serious. And he blames me for trying to lie about a class type so the devs would make it overpowered? According to those numbers, it's completely pointless to wear any fr/cr until you're fully NToV-geared and can actually get those ridiculous values. So what do you estimate 150 fr is worth against a standard nuke, Kringe? 10% average reduction and 2% chance to fully resist?

[Kringe]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahem... so under 200, fr/cr pretty much doesn't do anything, and 300 is the point where you start averaging 40-50% reduced damage? That has got to be the most far-fetched shit ever to be claimed on this forum. It's so absurdly inaccurate that I'm having trouble believing Kringe is serious. And he blames me for trying to lie about a class type so the devs would make it overpowered? According to those numbers, it's completely pointless to wear any fr/cr until you're fully NToV-geared and can actually get those ridiculous values. So what do you estimate 150 fr is worth against a standard nuke, Kringe? 10% average reduction and 2% chance to fully resist?

I'm really done arguing with you tbh.... About 8-10 people have proven and told you to please quit posting... Your memories are so far and jaded and your experience in Classic is next to none.

Jilena has it pretty much spot on, in what we are trying to accomplish achieve.

Darwoth even posted a Screenshot from around 2000...

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the nuke numbers are dead on, from what i have deduced off of memory and the fact that at 200+ fr i would still take 50% of the damage from a scoraie is that

100 elemental resist shaved off about 15% - 20% damage on average

150 took off 25 - 30%

and 200 took off approximately 50%


this is why ice cometing wizards were still feared even after you had cold resistance, mages were not just blank firing pet controllers and druids could actually kill people.

Another Solid Quote from Lethdar:

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Darwoth's numbers are pretty much correct, here's some most data regarding resists from player posts from before the resist changing patch (which made anything you can test on alkabor inapplicable here btw).

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...8&postcount=55

Although, Ghitming, I think you were implying that any class can kill any class? Unless there is something really uber for me to charm (and it doesn't kill me first) there's not a chance in hell my chanter could kill any melee besides a monk. I am pretty sure a cleric can't kill anyone 50+ either *maybe* a caster if their melee skills are good. For some reason if anyone has over 70 magic resist, magic based spells are completly useless against them but fire/ cold/ disease/ poison ones seems to have a good chance of doing max damage even at 150+ resist.
post from someone after the resist changing patch went in (sept, 20002)
http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...1&postcount=18

in the past ever had 150resists and still get hit by scoriae icecomet and the rest, while u could sit at roughly 75-80mr and be immune to just about every friggin magic attack?

its been that way so long it blows peoples minds when they stick, fact is magic attacks like root snare stun mez slow blind and stuff will screw a person over (because they have a duration) while everyone is used to getting straight nuked

magic attacks are the most debilitating and i'd say the most powerful pvp spells short of pure dmg (see lures and and unresistable stuff and dont forget powerful uber melee skillz )
phantasmist
rallos zek

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...4&postcount=31
PvP should work with everyone moving as fast as they can. My job, as a druid, is to shake the melee long enough to channel my spell. His job is to stay on me, wailing away.
NEITHER of us should be able to be snared. The snared, the rooted, they are dead. This just isnt right, snare should never, ever land on 100+ mr.

You should really try doing some research.
But im guessing Lethdar, Darwoth... Hell everyone at Safehouse in those posts (from posts during that era) are all wrong eh Bockscar?

[Dfn]

Originally Posted by Kringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really done arguing with you tbh.... About 8-10 people have proven and told you to please quit posting... Your memories are so far and jaded and your experience in Classic is next to none.

Jilena has it pretty much spot on, in what we are trying to accomplish achieve.

Darwoth even posted a Screenshot from around 2000...

Another Solid Quote from Lethdar:


You should really try doing some research.
But im guessing Lethdar, Darwoth... Hell everyone at Safehouse in those posts (from posts during that era) are all wrong eh Bockscar?

You should repost that in a fresh thread so the devs see.

[jilena]

I think they are saying 150+ on straight damage spells you were averaging a 25-40% reduction in damage vs any sort of straight up resist. With there already being the "pvp damage reduction" (which wasn't "classic") in place I don't think that sounds that ridiculous.

[Nirgon]

1120 at 50 for IC.

[Vile]

#1 spell is warrior taunt in pvp