Interesting post, and a warning..

[pojab]

honestly you hosting vztz code for like 2 months shouldnt be called vztz v4

[Toomuch]

I like what Secrets had to say. Someone's gotta enforce some kind of ruleset. The hacking and training, if unchecked, will inevitably ruin the server. We all are here to play some Classic EQ pvp, not Microsoft Train Simulator with "is is a good day to die" mode enabled. Those wanting to play that sort of game should look for it elsewhere. I've posted previously how pvp in regular EQ was ruined by a few things: introducing entirely overpowered game mechanics that didn't translate to pvp, and hacking/training without policing it.

I'm here to legitimately compete. I'm an extremely competitive feller. But when I, in my determination to not cross over to the dark side, am literally powerless to stop what is against me due to someone one-sidedly imbalancing the game by changing the mechanics, it is no longer competition, and the draw to the game is no longer there, nostalgia or no.

I plead with you guys that have the access and knowhow of hacking to just drop it for this venture, if for no other reason than the sake of your own fun and enjoyment. When you're the only kid left in the park, playing Calvin-ball by your own rules, are you really having that much fun?

[Amuk]

Yeah what pojab said, the server had like instant cast necro life taps that you just ignored, infact I don't think you fixed any blatent game ruining problems or anything - server was a pile of ignored shit and had nothing to do with game mechanics for people losing interest.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah what pojab said, the server had like instant cast necro life taps that you just ignored, infact I don't think you fixed any blatent game ruining problems or anything - server was a pile of ignored shit and had nothing to do with game mechanics for people losing interest.

I didn't claim for it to be the best server out there, matter of the fact was, game mechanics were broken then people lost interest. I don't think you realize insta-cast lifetaps were game mechanics.

Also, the playerbase abused mechanics because it was the only way to win, and nothing was done about it. If I had a dedicated staff at the time, it could've been a lot better.

I chose not to do that after hearing about Red99.

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by pojab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly you hosting vztz code for like 2 months shouldnt be called vztz v4

It wasn't just "vztz code", by the by, it was about 3 hours of work with the database and source to close loopholes that were fixed in current emu source.

I can admit that it was not a lot of work, but to call it something other than vztz is you just hating me for shutting it down.

I didn't see anyone else hosting vztz at the time, either.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying that more of the blue population hacked is just a complete fabrication.... after the 365 accounts were suspended. Just because 700 people log on every night doesn't mean that it's always the same 700 people,

Haha. Complete fabrication, i agree! Harrison and Lazor reppin it really well. Vztz didn't even have 200 people (the real, first version). There were maybe 12-15 ppl that hacked.

Exploits, however it may seem, are game mechanics and arguable.

[Harrison]

If you think exploiting is "arguably" cheating then your integrity is gone.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think exploiting is "arguably" cheating then your integrity is gone.

You, and every other person on EQ has exploited pathing at some point or another. Hence, it is arguable as to cheating or not.

And my interwebs integrity is gone? Oh noes. Whatever shall I do..

[Harrison]

It is not arguable if it is cheating. If you disagree with this fact, you are wrong.

"An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."

This is cheating. How you can disagree with this is fucking downright magical...

[valithteezee]

This is a very different server and environment than the last boxes. If someone wants to level a toon up for 4 months to 50 and then get IP banned for hacks or whatever then let them. Jokes on them.