Resists and Melee

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah we have the convenient fact that I can't share my 1999 experience with you. You're always right.

like i said, i can't know exactly what you experienced, for all i know you actually experienced the exact same overall resist rates for snare and ensnare when cast on equivalent mr/level mobs but your perception was that ensnare resisted less often because of a remote RNG anomaly or because you are comparing across mobs with different resists and levels. meanwhile, to refute that we already know the MR bonus for these spells and they are clearly the same.

it takes a sophisticated intellect to acknowledge the nuanced but important difference between experience and perception, and i am sorry you don't get it.

[Nirgon]

It takes a real genius to look at current Titanium / EQ classic source code and say that's how it has always been.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It takes a real genius to look at current Titanium / EQ classic source code and say that's how it has always been.

maybe it's not the way it's always been but failing better evidence it's the best we have. any actual evidence such as a mention in the patch notes about snare resists somewhere would be enough to merit further investigation but Story Time with Nirgon is definitely not enough.

[Nirgon]

I think if you're going for how classic elements worked, the best you can go on is Story Time with most of this stuff. That includes memories of the staff as well as the players.

I'm arguing with a guy who is trying to tell me that we're not building an EQ server based on what the community remembers to be classic.

How about the dune tarantulas in North Ro? I saw those on live. They are supposed to be desert tarantulas. I guess if we don't have hard evidence, they should stay dune tarantulas (wrong). What if no one could produce a screen shot of being able to see a player's equipped items even though it was obviously the case you could at least see them after killing them on a pvp server. No screenshot? Not classic! Certainly not worth a look or further consideration, either.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if you're going for how classic elements worked, the best you can go on is Story Time with most of this stuff. That includes memories of the staff as well as the players.

I'm arguing with a guy who is trying to tell me that we're not building an EQ server based on what the community remembers to be classic.

How about the dune tarantulas in North Ro? I saw those on live. They are supposed to be desert tarantulas. I guess if we don't have hard evidence, they should stay dune tarantulas (wrong). What if no one could produce a screen shot of being able to see a player's equipped items even though it was obviously the case you could at least see them after killing them on a pvp server. No screenshot? Not classic! Certainly not worth a look or further consideration, either.

i remember that ogres shot rainbows out of their asses when they jumped. what now?

[Nirgon]

^ idiot, I rest my case.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ idiot, I rest my case.

clearly, my memory of ass-rainbow-shooting-ogres is evidence enough to add them to the game in spite of all data to the contrary. so let's add them so we can

Relive the Classic Experience™

[Diggles]

i also remember tome of order and discord being able to be sold for 1k plat

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i also remember tome of order and discord being able to be sold for 1k plat

only on pvp servers though

[Nirgon]

I magically guessed right on Invoke Fear without having any data in front of me. I say the same for snare but I can't possibly be right.

Truth is I remember being on a lvl 19 druid twink I made and snare being resisted constantly on npcs. I asked a mained druid in my guild "what's the problem with this" I was told "snare has a shitty resist rate, ensnare works much better".

So I can be right about invoke fear because whatever you are looking at matches it, but wrong about lvl 1 snare. Heh ok, convenient.

You might also realize I'm not playing red or "out to get druids" for that matter. Suit yourself.

Bonds of force and Atol's shackles had the same problem. I would get *way more resists* on bonds than Atol's. I'm sure whatever you're looking at has them evenly matched.