Poll: Should the Management have been harsher with the 365 cheaters?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This wasn't my decision. Wasn't my vote. You don't like how things are now? Shouldn't have spent so much time crying to nilbog every time something didn't go your way. I'm not going to argue and defend every decision every time someone runs teary-eyed and uses the right buzzwords. If anyone kicked you in the teeth, it was all of you whiny bitches aiming for me and whiffing.

me sending that little message to nilbog months ago has nothing to do with my statement. and btw, how did that turn out? i seem to recall quite a few people who called me a dumbass for it doing a complete 180 and saying it had some merit (im assuming this has to do with your shitty 4 day window that now looks rather fucking retarded doesn't it?). maybe now that you guys see just how many SEQers there were we can see a bit more credibility in my previous statements. and how about you getting pissy when i actually tried to get nilbog to clear up my situation for me? i seem to recall you getting all whiny when i tried to step over you to get some clarity. how'd that shit turn out? oh? i didn't? gtfo... really? you telling me i'm a whiner can best be described as

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me calling you a wuss has to do with your tough talk in player-to-player disputes but when it comes to disputes between two guilds you're unwilling to take the same approach. like i said, you pussy out. i knew that this was likely a staff-wide decision that you either had a say in or it was the two up top. doesn't have anything to do with your approach to disputes but rather an incredibly shitty decision in the first place. you being a pussy is in response to the people who claim that they admittedly get a little frightened of even petitioning a camp dispute because you squash any disputes with an iron fist -- and you do. my point was that you back away when it comes to guild disputes. which you do. you wanna call me a whiner then go for it, but i've never and will never bend over backwards for anybody because of a bolded title and most certainly not for you. you're not the first, either. you've dicked me over before and i've seen the way you do shit so let's cut the BS. you're a pussy when it comes to raid disputes and fail to hit them where it hurts. even after multiple incidents you still don't mind showing up and still don't treat them like you treat player disputes. That's why i call you a pussy. This decision, or rather half-ass decision when it comes the massive cheating would have been staff-wide and overturned by the big two or not a call of yours in the first place. but it still smells like you

[inyane]

Yeah, the whole thing is bullshit. Most of the accounts suspended were the port whores, the tracking whores, etc. Oh no, my lvl 29 druid tracking whore has lost experience and the 100pp i had on him.

It's awesome how the devs like to keep everything so "secret" concerning punishments on the server.

All cheating accounts should be banned.
All accounts logged on from a known cheaters IP should be banned.
All cheaters IP exemptions should be permanently removed.

If they want to start a brand new lvl 1 character after that, let them.

Frankly, I doubt we would miss any of them. Might even open some more camps and/or raid mobs for those of us who don't cheat.

The devs have stated more than once that they don't care how many people play on the server, population numbers mean nothing to them, and they
would be doing all this even if nobody played here. This whole cheating scandal has proved that to be a lie.

[Tyen01]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This wasn't my decision. Wasn't my vote. You don't like how things are now? Shouldn't have spent so much time crying to nilbog every time something didn't go your way. I'm not going to argue and defend every decision every time someone runs teary-eyed and uses the right buzzwords. If anyone kicked you in the teeth, it was all of you whiny bitches aiming for me and whiffing.

Not sure if correct response so gonna toss this out there:


I would play on a Rogean OR Nilbog server without the tiniest of hesitation when pitted against your name.

There is no way you couldn't fuck it up.


(too much drama for me to keep up with, slay Trakanon)

[Bruman]

At the end of the day, this is simple. They said third-party programs were an insta-ban.

They find a good way to detect third-party programs, and find lots of accounts (including many high-end raiders, some with one-of-a-kind loot), and change their mind on the insta-ban.

Instead, these people will be right back to where they were in a few weeks.

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

But hey, it's their sandbox. We don't have to be here. It's not the decision I would have made, but it's not my sandbox. It does make me disappointed though, that with all the rough talk on cheating, to see them cave so easily.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

Funny, your obvious conclusion is far different than mine. Perhaps it's not so obvious after all!

Bush knocked down the towaz.

[visage]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

me sending that little message to nilbog months ago has nothing to do with my statement. and btw, how did that turn out? i seem to recall quite a few people who called me a dumbass for it doing a complete 180 and saying it had some merit (im assuming this has to do with your shitty 4 day window that now looks rather fucking retarded doesn't it?). maybe now that you guys see just how many SEQers there were we can see a bit more credibility in my previous statements. and how about you getting pissy when i actually tried to get nilbog to clear up my situation for me? i seem to recall you getting all whiny when i tried to step over you to get some clarity. how'd that shit turn out? oh? i didn't? gtfo... really? you telling me i'm a whiner can best be described as

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me calling you a wuss has to do with your tough talk in player-to-player disputes but when it comes to disputes between two guilds you're unwilling to take the same approach. like i said, you pussy out. i knew that this was likely a staff-wide decision that you either had a say in or it was the two up top. doesn't have anything to do with your approach to disputes but rather an incredibly shitty decision in the first place. you being a pussy is in response to the people who claim that they admittedly get a little frightened of even petitioning a camp dispute because you squash any disputes with an iron fist -- and you do. my point was that you back away when it comes to guild disputes. which you do. you wanna call me a whiner then go for it, but i've never and will never bend over backwards for anybody because of a bolded title and most certainly not for you. you're not the first, either. you've dicked me over before and i've seen the way you do shit so let's cut the BS. you're a pussy when it comes to raid disputes and fail to hit them where it hurts. even after multiple incidents you still don't mind showing up and still don't treat them like you treat player disputes. That's why i call you a pussy. This decision, or rather half-ass decision when it comes the massive cheating would have been staff-wide and overturned by the big two or not a call of yours in the first place. but it still smells like you

Theres people that are well above him that have a say in the things he does. I'm quite sure he has to balance his own beliefs and actions with those he works with too. Can't make everybody happy, however I truly believe if this was Uthgaard's own server I think we would be seeing things handled a litle differently. My thing is he doesn't give a rat's ass about most peoples opinions on him let alone those that don't agree with decisions he makes. Which Is why I don't fault him and respect him regardless. You can take the bad with the good. For all the bad decisions mistakes they make. I can clearly say to him and Rogean and Nilborg and everyone of the staff, they have done more good than harm. Sometimes people make mistakes and handle things. We just need to learn and grow from it is all. If shit gets bad enough no one is forcing anyone to be here. That is your own accord.

[RandySlopeJr]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day, this is simple. They said third-party programs were an insta-ban.

They find a good way to detect third-party programs, and find lots of accounts (including many high-end raiders, some with one-of-a-kind loot), and change their mind on the insta-ban.

Instead, these people will be right back to where they were in a few weeks.

Of course at this point people are going to break out the tinfoil hat conspiracies. They've dished out bans before, why the change in heart? Either way, people of course are going to jump to the obvious conclusion that some of the members who'd be banned (instead of a weak suspension, some deleveling, and worthless pp removed) are in "important" guilds, and don't want their raid loot deleted.

But hey, it's their sandbox. We don't have to be here. It's not the decision I would have made, but it's not my sandbox. It does make me disappointed though, that with all the rough talk on cheating, to see them cave so easily.

I still want to know why 2 boxing was a more serious crime then hacking and exploiting the server? Most the players that got caught 2 boxing were perma banned, well unless they were brown nosing Gms.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

however I truly believe if this was Uthgaard's own server I think we would be seeing things handled a litle differently. My thing is he doesn't give a rat's ass about most peoples opinions on him let alone those that don't agree with decisions he makes.

No. He's been a dickhead to players and people he shouldn't have treated so harshly and he's let the real dickheads get free passes repeatedly simply because of it being disguised as 'guild drama.' Now he's probably reading over the list of names and realizing that. Grow a pair

[Spoodowg2000bc]

Originally Posted by RandySlopeJr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want to know why 2 boxing was a more serious crime then hacking and exploiting the server? Most the players that got caught 2 boxing were perma banned, well unless they were brown nosing Gms.

+1

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny, your obvious conclusion is far different than mine. Perhaps it's not so obvious after all!

Bush knocked down the towaz.

I didn't say "all people". But it's obvious that many people feel that way. My guess is it's a combination of things - including that.