Why is everyone against item loot?

[Convict]

for the record I am pro item loot. I am an old RZ'er here from pre-kunark and it was the best online gaming experience I've had yet. Except for maybe counter strike and rocket arena 3.

[Yukahwa]

Anti PK's don't hunt exp groups that mind their own business. They will kill on sight "mean old pk's" Rallos Zek had no teams but the teams naturally formed into teams of the vile hearted PK's and the PVE oriented anti PK's. Most players had at least 1 character on each of these natural teams because sometimes it is fun to hunt for players..other times it is fun to PVE.

It really doesn't matter how we talk about it here..with a decent player base on a team without artificial teams..these natural teams will form on their own.

You are really right about item loot. I also think the PVP engagement range should be tighter or else it makes it too easy to hunt lowbies with little chance of defending oneself.

[tarni]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anti PK's don't hunt exp groups that mind their own business. They will kill on sight "mean old pk's" Rallos Zek had no teams but the teams naturally formed into teams of the vile hearted PK's and the PVE oriented anti PK's. Most players had at least 1 character on each of these natural teams because sometimes it is fun to hunt for players..other times it is fun to PVE. .

yeah its whats is lame. its just another way to ligal pvp :P and say im a good guy, and the other is evil..
same was it for us on Vallon Zek. 3 faction there. good evil and neutral
but it bacem fast ligty vs evil.. so it was 2 faction vs 1.. i dident mind more i could kil. and at the end. it was the whole server Vs Twelve prophet. witch they sayed we where. bad... but hehe they coulden take we where the best pvp on the server.

maybe an ide. u could make it coin only.. and then make some kind of guildwar system.. where only guilds there was in war with each other could loot an item. but what im afraid of is guilds will only enter war. when they alot of planar gear witch is nodrop... should make that there warent any nodrop. but only lvl req on it.. but it also have it down sides.. seems all will have some kind of down side. hehe.

Tarni Shadowdancer - Vallon Zek - Twelve Prophet
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[JayDee]

Originally Posted by tarni [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

same was it for us on Vallon Zek. 3 faction there. good evil and neutral
but it bacem fast ligty vs evil.. so it was 2 faction vs 1.. i dident mind more i could kil. and at the end. it was the whole server Vs Twelve prophet. witch they sayed we where. bad... but hehe they coulden take we where the best pvp on the server.
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VZ & TZ had 4 pvp factions - shorties, elves, human, darkies

[Kilbur]

Item loot anything not in bags and no weapons unless disarmed while bags were full or inventory slots were open :-) and all money taken was the way to go.. Very fun and challenging.. Best pvp ive ever played was rallos zek.... When they changed these rules the pvp died.. Wonder why.. Yes it was frustrating when u got a nice piece if gear taken but that was the challenge !! Please keep it how it was .. I can't wait!!!

[Yukahwa]

That was really a challenge to read Tarni but I think I got the jst of what you were saying.

Earning no drop gear is its own reward and is what motivates a player to achieve planar gear. Its not unfair at all. The main problems in PVP arise at the lower levels when noobs are trying to EXP and they get sat on by strong twinks. Item loot makes twinks have to think twice..and at least gives noobs the CHANCE of looting that stuff.

No teams PVP is the best, the game isn't created to be diety balanced or anything like that. It works out fine.

[Tajin]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem was really the bagging. If item loot is allowed, the bags shouldn't be sacred ground. Pretty simple really.

Like a lot of people have said, looting should be implemented at first, and if it proves to be a problem for population, it can be removed. Just please make sure there is no way to circumvent an item loot. Please.

Nah bagging should still be allowed, it hurts the player if u bag anyway, losing all the stats! Easier to kill

[Vondra]

Even though naked casters and bagging sucks I think it is better than a group of uber twink alts hanging out in low level areas...permanently. For people that don't get in on the ground floor of the server, they'll come here and see that...probably get killed by it a bit, then leave.

Might be better for server population to ALLOW item looting funny enough, just because of the twink issue.

[Yukahwa]

Originally Posted by Vondra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even though naked casters and bagging sucks I think it is better than a group of uber twink alts hanging out in low level areas...permanently. For people that don't get in on the ground floor of the server, they'll come here and see that...probably get killed by it a bit, then leave.

Might be better for server population to ALLOW item looting funny enough, just because of the twink issue.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. It just sucks too bad for new lowbies to deal with twinks when they have literally no way to deter them.

[Crenshinabon]

Item loot made it a rush trying to kill twinks. Also naked casters are not as good as you guys think. Less mana, less AC. It effects everyone not just melee.

I loved knowing that when I killed someone there was a chance at some gear.
I also hated losing gear, but thats what no drop was for.