How far are we from AI recreating EQ99?

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By definition, a newbie game developer is incapable of building a game like Everquest, due to their lack of knowledge and skills. If building Everquest was so easy a single newbie could do it, there would be more MMO's on the market. AI would have to do most of the work in this scenario.

Can a newbie become a veteran? Of course. But then the question is no longer "Can a newbie with AI make Everquest?", because the person is no longer a newbie.

Yes. A newbie, with no experience, can watch videos on youtube, ask questions and code with AI, to build everquest from the ground up right now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. A newbie, with no experience, can watch videos on youtube, ask questions and code with AI, to build everquest from the ground up right now.

Of course. Nobody said people are incapable of learning how to make video games. But in this scenario the human is learning how to become a veteran game developer. That is what allows them to build Everquest. You don't need AI to learn how to make video games.

It would take years for a determined newbie with current AI tools to properly make Everquest. Most of that time would be spent learning how to program, after realizing vibe coding with AI isn't producing the results they want. Current AI tools would not allow a total newbie to make Everquest in a few months.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course. Nobody said people are incapable of learning how to make video games. But in this scenario the human is learning how to become a veteran game developer. That is what allows them to build Everquest. You don't need AI to learn how to make video games.

Ai fits into this scenario because in the videos OP posted, someone with ZERO experience making games, managed to build a functioning doom executable.

Ai helped him write code he didnt know how to write. Ai helped tell him where to put stuff he didn't know where to put it. Ai tells you create accounts, and register to download all the programs you need to build something.

I am not sure where AI comes into this scenario.

This is where AI comes into the equation:

You could sit down with Chat GPT right now and say:

Hi, Im a total newbie, and have never made a game before. i want to make everquest, like from 1999!

Can you help me, step by step, starting from TOTAL scratch, build everquest? Create an outline that we will follow, step by step to build a functional everquest clone.

I will need help to learn how to do every step.

And as you work, through each step, asking AI what to do, and how to do it. You will, by the end of a year or 2, have a fully functional everquest style game, as a newbie (presuming you were doing this in your downtime).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where AI comes into the equation:

You could sit down with Chat GPT right now and say:

Hi, Im a total newbie, and have never made a game before. i want to make everquest, like from 1999!

Can you help me, step by step, starting from TOTAL scratch, build everquest? Create an outline that we will follow, step by step to build a functional everquest clone.

I will need help to learn how to do every step.

And as you work, through each step, asking AI what to do, and how to do it. You will, by the end of a year or 2, have a fully functional everquest style game, as a newbie (presuming you were doing this in your downtime).

Using the methods you describe, the only scenario in which that might happen is if the newbie or the AI just takes the entire EQEMU codebase as a starting point.

But then it wasn't AI that did the work. It was the newbie/AI taking someone else's work.

If we are talking about the scenario in which a newbie uses AI to build Everquest from scratch, it would take many years with the current AI tools. If building MMO's was that easy, we'd have a lot more indie MMO's on the market.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only scenario in which that might happen is if the newbie or the AI just takes the entire EQEMU codebase as a starting point.

But then it wasn't AI that did the work. It was the newbie/AI taking someone else's work.

If we are talking about the scenario in which a newbie uses AI to build Everquest from scratch, it would take many years with the current AI tools. If building MMO's was that easy, we'd have a lot more indie MMO's on the market.

You could like download a tutorial on youtube that if you follow step by step make your own clone of eq in like 100 hours without even using AI.

Most of the stuff is hard to do, but with AI anyone could follow the tutorial, because you can ask questions, it can tell you how to do stuff you don't understand bla bla bla, its awesome.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No i disagree, you're like hungup too specifically on weird everquest minutia.

If you wanted to make "your own" mmo, like everquest, like the OP asked.

You could like download a tutorial on youtube from 12 years ago, that if you follow step by step make your own clone of eq in like 100 hours.

Most of the stuff is hard to do, but with AI anyone could follow the tutorial, because you can ask questions, it can tell you how to do stuff you don't understand bla bla bla, its awesome.

If there are so many amazing youtube tutorials from 12 years ago that can hold your hand enough to make a MMO on the scale and quality of Everquest in 100 hours, where are all of the indie MMO's over the past decade?

To me it just sounds like you are vastly underestimating the complexity of video games, while vastly overestimating an AI's ability to teach someone.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could like download a tutorial on youtube that if you follow step by step make your own clone of eq in like 100 hours without even using AI.

Most of the stuff is hard to do, but with AI anyone could follow the tutorial, because you can ask questions, it can tell you how to do stuff you don't understand bla bla bla, its awesome.

LoL do it then. Go on

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there are so many amazing youtube tutorials from 12 years ago that can hold your hand enough to make a MMO on the scale and quality of Everquest in 100 hours, where are all of the indie MMO's over the past decade?

To me it just sounds like you are vastly underestimating the complexity of video games, while vastly overestimating an AI's ability to teach someone.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2006120/GameZero/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2176920/Flempire/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...kineko_Online/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2...e_of_Red_Hope/

These are MMOs that have been released/early access/in development by 1 person.

Also, that guy was making VR request. There’s the Unity request project. There’s like 1 million fucking crazy MMO projects on YouTube from Rando’s.

Again, I’m not saying that any retard can do this. I’m saying that someone who’s smart and capable and passionate and driven and really wants to can, even if they know nothing about computer programming today

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by BradZax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2006120/GameZero/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2176920/Flempire/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...kineko_Online/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2...e_of_Red_Hope/

These are MMOs that have been released/early access/in development by 1 person.

I don't get your point. We both agreed individual developers can create video games, even MMOs, without AI.

That has no bearing on the subject of AI. None of these games prove the idea that AI was a significant factor in their creation, whether it be code generation or teaching.

[BradZax]

Originally Posted by OriginalContentGuy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LoL do it then. Go on

I’m smart and passionate. I just don’t have the drive to.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get your point. We both agreed individual developers can create video games, even MMOs, without AI.

My point would be that you don’t disagree with me and yet here you are seven pages later still arguing with me.

That has no bearing on the subject of AI. None of these games prove the idea that AI was a significant factor in their creation, whether it be code generation or teaching.

You asked where are the indi mmos made with YouTube tutorials, I gave them to you.