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[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would, however, be much harder for the IP holder to make a claim of damages against a completely free, non monetized, historical representation of their IP that has 0 basis for impacting the economics (profitability) of their IP.

This type of sentiment will get you called a Daybreak Shill on any forum or discord related to THJ. It's bad out there. None of those asswads give a shit about the decades long history of EQEmu, they just wanted P2W EQ with QoL changes.

[shovelquest]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

I feel like you're not telling the whole story. They were shutdown (via a "cease and desist") in 2016, but ...

Originally Posted by Wikipedia (with added line breaks)

After a month or so of large scale protests, Blizzard invited the Nostalrius team to the Blizzard HQ to present the case for Vanilla. An eighty-page "post-mortem" document describing the development of Nostalrius, the problems that happened and some marketing strategies was presented to Blizzard, and after some time, released on the Nostalrius forums.

In the following six months, Blizzard did not respond at all to any communication from the Nostalrius team.[5] Allen Brack and the World of Warcraft development team announced they would not be making any statements about Vanilla at the 2016 BlizzCon convention.[6] Consequently, the Nostalrius team released their source code to Valkyrie-WoW, another long-standing private Vanilla WoW server, hosted in Russia, and the Nostalrius servers returned on December 17, 2016, under the name of Elysium Project, with the player database as it had been just before the shutdown in April.[7][8]

In October 2017, the Elysium servers were taken offline when it had been revealed that some staff had been involved in gold selling and character manipulation, which went against the 'Blizzlike' philosophy the team purportedly stood for.[9] The servers returned one month later, with the project rebranded as Elysium Project "Nighthaven".[10]

So, in a completely different scenario with a different company (a company that would later directly compete with "classic" servers ... unlike Daybreak, which has expressed no interest in running a P99-like classic EQ server), a fan server did get shut down. But Blizzard took so much flack that they invited the people behind it in, and that same year the project was back up again.

It then got taken down again, this time for RMT ... but was back up a month later ... and it's still live today (under it's new name).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nostalrius had a strict no monetization policy and they were shut down same way.

Hope this helps.

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

But that says Nost not P99?

I wouldn't disagree with anything you just said.

[onmove_broke]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing in this situation is relevant to P99. They have a legal agreement and DBG would be estopped from pulling the rug.

DBG can rug pull anytime they want. Just because they have a legal agreement, it just allows P1999 to exist up to Velious. DBG can say "After XX months you need to shut down" and that is that.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DBG can rug pull anytime they want. Just because they have a legal agreement, it just allows P1999 to exist up to Velious. DBG can say "After XX months you need to shut down" and that is that.

The p99 agreement allows p99 to go up to Depths of Darkhollow

[onmove_broke]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The p99 agreement allows p99 to go up to Depths of Darkhollow

In the lawsuit with THJ it said Velious.

[shovelquest]

Elysium only drives my point even further.

Blizzard targeted Nostalrius for its massive visibility (~800,000 accounts) even though it had strict non-RMT policy and no donation system.

However:

Elysium’s smaller, community drew less attention even though it inherited Nost's assets and added a FOR PROFFIT donation system.

Blizzard never shut Elysium down.

Elysium self imploded in 2017

After it was revealed that admins Shenna and Crogge embezzled ~€2,000/month from donations and collaborated with gold sellers for personal gain, tainting its non-profit stance. This led to its collapse, not Blizzard action.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Elysium self imploded in 2017

I'm confused: that link I found looks pretty live, and their Discord has 19,128 members (1,590) live, with people actively talking about the game even today. It doesn't look very "imploded" to me, and again Wikipedia reported that they were back up about a month after the event you mentioned (just rebranded as "Elysium Project 'Nighthaven'").