Is warrior aggro greatly exaggerated?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

still think id rather just have war / enc / cleric and chill the fuck out

get a backstabber and go ham, cleric can do the pulling in that trio...if its ugly just DA to the camp and let the enc clean it up

either way war still better than knights

On what basis? A charmed pet can tank and dps easily. The third melee is there for support and to pull if the ench doesn’t want to.

If the ench doesn’t want to pull, a ranger is great outdoors and snare the pet. Sk or monk indoors. They can split tank.

If the ench wants to pull, a pally can rip pulls into camp, help root, spot LoH the ench. Split tank.

I see a warrior offering very little in a low-man charm pet situation. They lack flexibility for their pure melee combat table, but have no tricks like a monk. If you are exclusively fighting summon mobs they would be a solid pick to keep the ench from getting summoned on a charm break…but you could also just get a second pet class.

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On what basis? A charmed pet can tank and dps easily. The third melee is there for support and to pull if the ench doesn’t want to.

If the ench doesn’t want to pull, a ranger is great outdoors and snare the pet. Sk or monk indoors. They can split tank.

If the ench wants to pull, a pally can rip pulls into camp, help root, spot LoH the ench. Split tank.

I see a warrior offering very little in a low-man charm pet situation. They lack flexibility for their pure melee combat table, but have no tricks like a monk. If you are exclusively fighting summon mobs they would be a solid pick to keep the ench from getting summoned on a charm break…but you could also just get a second pet class.

Charmed tank is way more tedious and unstable. Ench NEVER pulls, what kinda trios are you running lol. A high functioning war will pull, tank, dps, taunt mez'd mobs, interrupts spells and have an array of clickies and procing weapons. Sounds like you have never played a cleric, ench or war.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charmed tank is way more tedious and unstable. Ench NEVER pulls, what kinda trios are you running lol. A high functioning war will pull, tank, dps, taunt mez'd mobs, interrupts spells and have an array of clickies and procing weapons. Sounds like you have never played a cleric, ench or war.

I’ve logged hundreds of hours in lower dogs/spiders with my buddy. Ench and cleric duo. Done seb with an ench and me on my cleric. Howling stones with ench pulling. The hole? Yep, that too…same combo. Geos? Yea enchanters can even pull there.

I’ve pulled with my pally in Seb and the Hole with ease. I’d post my Magelos but since I’ve been here since 2011 it’s plausible I’m not just making stuff up. It’s how I know a SK with rest the dead, snare, and FD might be able able to out-pull a warrior who has a bow, or that an ench can pull stuff.

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve logged hundreds of hours in lower dogs/spiders with my buddy. Ench and cleric duo. Done seb with an ench and me on my cleric. Howling stones with ench pulling. The hole? Yep, that too…same combo. Geos? Yea enchanters can even pull there.

I’ve pulled with my pally in Seb and the Hole with ease. I’d post my Magelos but since I’ve been here since 2011 it’s plausible I’m not just making stuff up. It’s how I know a SK with rest the dead, snare, and FD might be able able to out-pull a warrior who has a bow, or that an ench can pull stuff.

After all that time it never occured to you that chanter shouldn't be pulling?

[Crede]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

still think id rather just have war / enc / cleric and chill the fuck out

get a backstabber and go ham, cleric can do the pulling in that trio...if its ugly just DA to the camp and let the enc clean it up

either way war still better than knights

Are they tho? I leveled a twinked war with raid loot to 60. Enc/cleric are duoing 99% of the time. If they need a third, prob better off with sk unless it’s like a super niche fight that requires war disc. Knights are on war dmg table.

[Snaggles]

Back on topic though, there is nothing wrong with warriors. People think EQ was poorly balanced but most classes are sabotaged by design. We were all paying subs and they were throttling progression…if the best tank had the most aggro people would have breezed through Kunark and Velious even faster.

If you have a Frostbringer+something as a 50’ish warrior who groups, you are doing the best you can outside raid drops. If you struggle with aggro that’s to be expected. Bide your time and keep grinding to 60. Hopefully DPS are learning patience with you because taking dirt naps from raid mobs is only a meme until it stops being funny.

[jolanar]

Like I tell people that I group with in classic wow hardcore as my warrior. If you pull threat, congrats your now the tank.

[PatChapp]

It really doesn't matter in an xp group if a melee pulls agro anyway, even trash geared these days is probably like a full black panther monk, rogue with epic + thurg gear or something. They can take some swings make the regen put in some work.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really doesn't matter in an xp group if a melee pulls agro anyway, even trash geared these days is probably like a full black panther monk, rogue with epic + thurg gear or something. They can take some swings make the regen put in some work.

Unless its a Ranger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think your statement is 100% accurate below level 50. But around 50-55 it changes a bit.

Grouped with a ranger using call of fire, and they kept pulling aggro. Had to switch to my Frostbringer, which was lower DPS than my Reaver - but the Ranger was getting spanked by the same mobs that weren't putting that big of a dent in me. It also put strain on the cleric, who was used to just CHing me at 30%, and now had to also toss spot heals on the ranger.

We still did fine, but the cleric was low on mana every time the ranger pulled aggro

[Snaggles]

It’s always the dps issue if it’s a conscious choice. If severely out geared, the warrior may need some root help. Even then, the level of dps at this point is off the charts...geos are dying quick and people aren’t getting hurt much. We have alts with Reavers…that was not common place on Live.

I’ve seen rangers flame licking and using call of fire without jolting off the aggro. It’s just stupid. We are highly tolerant of stupid in p99. The result of a small player base I guess.