Which is more boring? Mage vs. Wiz

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any smaller team will want rods, aka real raiding. Ofc, it's still not an interesting job

As an expert on small man raiding, please share your secrets.

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

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[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

Nah we never use rods in riot except a few encounters like aow and vyemm, I did the small raid thing before it was cool 8 years ago. Sorry it upsets you to hear we don't use them.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

He has a point though, no one is asking clerics to log for mages. A KT raid only needs 1 or 2 mages making rods, beyond that everyone should be on clerics, luckily there aren't many folks who actually main mages these days so that generally there is only one or two.

[Selene]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I understand the question...raiding is the end game.

And Wizards are damn good in the raid scene, but you need Porlos Fury and Epic for sure...among a few other clicks to do a proper job.

If you want a class to play outside of raids, make an enchanter. There is no situation where having an enchanter isn't optimal.

To answer your question: as a casual player, between mage and wiz, which class is more suitable in the end game? I used to raid a little bit on a casual guild with my druid (58) and pally (54) on green. My monk (52), mage (56), and wiz (now 34) on blue don't really raid much. My job often leaves me only 2-3 hours max of free time on weekdays so I may see myself as being, at best, a casual raider.

I just want to pick one toon amongst these that would allow me to enjoy the "end game," which I hope has more than just raiding. Because if it's raiding --- then I'll just invest in the wiz and play that class when time permits for raids. But if the end-game might also include things like duoing/trio-ing, or god-forbid grouping in a 6 man group, for adventures and certain interesting camps or quest kills, then maybe mage would be better?

What do you all spend time doing for the most part at the end game? Is it raiding or going on little adventures with a smaller group? Would any mage players care to comment --- is your 60 mage often welcomed for such grouping (and i mean not xp groups)? Thank you all and hope this makes sense...

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Selene [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to pick one toon amongst these that would allow me to enjoy the "end game," which I hope has more than just raiding. Because if it's raiding --- then I'll just invest in the wiz and play that class when time permits for raids. But if the end-game might also include things like duoing/trio-ing, or god-forbid grouping in a 6 man group, for adventures and certain interesting camps or quest kills, then maybe mage would be better?

End game is basically raiding, farming high value targets (epics, plat camps, etc), and solo / duo artist stuff. I basically did all this to mega-twink my next alt...leveling was just more fun for me save for the first couple years of raiding when everything felt new / exciting.

Mage and Wiz are terrible outside of raiding, probably the two worst characters (ranger and druid honorable mentions). They just don't bring anything to small groups and they can't solo anything worthwhile.

If you're stuck with Mage and Wiz, I'd raid / gear the Wiz and just find chill spots to solo farm plat on the mage. The mage will be the char you would use in single group content with friends. Find an enc + cleric duo and beg them to take you along, thats your ideal trio.

Chip away at the Wiz epic...and Porlos Fury if your guild does ToV.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mage and Wiz are terrible outside of raiding, probably the two worst characters (ranger and druid honorable mentions). They just don't bring anything to small groups and they can't solo anything worthwhile.

That's an inaccurate comparison: Mages are great group/sustained DPS (maybe not as great as a Rogue, but still very good). Wizards just aren't.

And while you're correct about soloing, there are things that can only be duo-ed or trio-ed with a Mage (eg. General in Overthere). Maybe not a lot, but I don't know of anything that requires a Wizard.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an inaccurate comparison: Mages are great group/sustained DPS (maybe not as great as a Rogue, but still very good). Wizards just aren't.

And while you're correct about soloing, there are things that can only be duo-ed or trio-ed with a Mage (eg. General in Overthere). Maybe not a lot, but I don't know of anything that requires a Wizard.

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps) and can provide cc. in some groups thats prob better.

[Insaiyan]

I think, if you aren’t farming cash camps and holding a monopoly on some camp for drops, the “end game” is raiding on any toon and gaining DKP to twink alts and then enjoying the leveling experience all over again but with more power. Correct me if I’m wrong but I feel as if the majority does this. Say you get a mage to raid level, and as players here have said you’re useless or some such. The guild will just ask you to log into a guild cleric or rogue and you’ll raid on that, still earn full DKP and twink alts. Or you could just say fuck it and play your own toon. If your class feels “useless” or “worthless” at end game you’ll have options if you’re in a large guild and have built a reputation. Play what’s fun

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps) and can provide cc. in some groups thats prob better.

Nobody cares about that. I've gotten stonewalled by groups of trash geared players with my 60 VP robed wiz, even after initially inviting me before realizing I was a wiz.