shaman duo

[Ripqozko]

I’m gonna need 3 hours of logs posted here to prove this, don’t send parses only logs. The burden of proof is on you.

[Snaggles]

If you think 14 dps off shaman epic is “good dps” I’m not sure how to explain it any better.

In that regard, bards are the best dps class because they can swarm 25npcs at once without a tick of mana. That’s like 1500dmg every 6 seconds. Maybe bards and shamans should duo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think 14 dps off shaman epic is “good dps” I’m not sure how to explain it any better.

In that regard, bards are the best dps class because they can swarm 25npcs at once without a tick of mana. That’s like 1500dmg every 6 seconds. Maybe bards and shamans should duo.

Yes, bards do really good DPS when swarming. You have the right idea now. That is why they power level people. I don't know how much damage per tick a bard can do when swarming. Looking at their spells, one of their PBAoE spells does 30 damage per tick. That means if they only use 1 PBAoE spell, they are doing 30 x 25 = 750 per tick, or 125 DPS. If you are inferring the 1500 damage comes from using 2x PBAoE spells, that means the bard is doing 250 DPS while swarming. Hasted Rogues that are backstabbing are doing 120ish DPS to normal mobs if they are using Epic in their main hand.

More simultaneous DoTs = More DPS. Each individual mob in a bard swarm is only taking 5 DPS. But 5 multiplied by 25 is 125.

[Snaggles]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Bard_Instruments

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Bard_Instruments

Ah I see what you are saying. The single PBAoE spell is getting multiplied by the instrument. So you are doing like 60 damage per mob instead of 30 from a single PBAoE tick. Makes sense!

So Bards do like 250 DPS while swarming 25 mobs because 10 DPS (60 Damage / 6 seconds) x 25 Mobs = 250 DPS. That is why they are the kings of power leveling. Swarm kiting just feels slower because each mob is dying slower. But mathematically you killed the same number of mobs in the same amount of time as a group that focuses their combined 250 DPS into one mob at a time.

Now you should understand why Shamans can do more DPS than you think. When DoTing more than one mob with your Epic, you are multiplying your Epic DoT's DPS for each mob DoTed. The multiplier is not as large as a Bard's multiplier since the Epic's cast time extends the time it takes for each mob to become DoTed, but the same logic applies.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah I see what you are saying. The single PBAoE spell is getting multiplied by the instrument. So you are doing like 60 damage per mob instead of 30 from a single PBAoE tick. Makes sense!

Yes the effects that get instrument modded are multiplied by the mod/10, so a 24 mod instrument with a 30 damage song does 2.4*30.

So Bards do like 250 DPS while swarming 25 mobs because 10 DPS (60 Damage / 6 seconds) x 25 Mobs = 250 DPS. That is why they are the kings of power leveling. Swarm kiting just feels slower because each mob is dying slower. But mathematically you killed the same number of mobs in the same amount of time as a group that focuses their combined 250 DPS into one mob at a time.

The 4 ae spells all stack and you sing them all, except that the level 48 spell doesn't stack with ae snare (you only ae snare in tight spaces like hs though), and the fourth dot isn't until 59.

According to the wiki, base damage on the lute ae songs are 30, 32, 18; and the brass ae's base damage is 19. Don't forget the moving npc dot damage nerf (multiply the damage by .66, I think). A little napkin math suggests BIS instruments put you at like 180 dps on a 10 mob kite where you have to snare, up to over 600 dps on a 25 mob kite where you don't. RIP Bard DN spider ae (it was nerfed by making the spiders summon); that may be the only place where pling on 25 mobs blue to a 60 was really practical.

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[Naethyn]

Careful you’re going to summon that most dps server breaking record enchanter who has like 5 records in his sig.

[Troxx]

Shamans = a hell of a class. Superb solo ability. Amazing group utility (2-6 players). Easy to primary heal on at all levels, better even at 60. They have a pet which adds some dps and can tank/offtank in a pinch. They can SUPPLEMENT killing/dps with mana free clickies, burstyish dots, and even longer dots on high hp mobs. Yes they can root an add and toss some clicks - it IS helpful.

They are so great at so many things. I know. Mine is 60.

What they aren’t good at is dedicated dps. If they go absolutely apeshit casting dots/nukes and clicks along with their pet all while furiously canni-ing and self healing they are the rough equivalent of a level 50-51 Ranger in EC gear at 60 with torpor.

Again, no shaman hate. They are absolutely amazing.

They just aren’t dps.

For sustained dps they’re really only more effective than clerics, Druids/wizards (mana regen woes), and meleeing bards. If the group they are in needs a lot of utility uptime (buffs, slows, heals, cc) .. their dps is in the shitter - well below bards.

Hell, I probably have put out more damage on my cleric in some groups using extra mana to nuke in a high activity group where the shaman is juggling the job they do best. Complete heal need is infrequent and efficient … as are undead nukes.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans = a hell of a class. Superb solo ability. Amazing group utility (2-6 players). Easy to primary heal on at all levels, better even at 60. They have a pet which adds some dps and can tank/offtank in a pinch. They can SUPPLEMENT killing/dps with mana free clickies, burstyish dots, and even longer dots on high hp mobs. Yes they can root an add and toss some clicks - it IS helpful.

They are so great at so many things. I know. Mine is 60.

What they aren’t good at is dedicated dps. If they go absolutely apeshit casting dots/nukes and clicks along with their pet all while furiously canni-ing and self healing they are the rough equivalent of a level 50-51 Ranger in EC gear at 60 with torpor.

Again, no shaman hate. They are absolutely amazing.

They just aren’t dps.

For sustained dps they’re really only more effective than clerics, Druids/wizards (mana regen woes), and meleeing bards.

Again, you keep saying Shamans can't do good DPS, but you don't back this up with any data. Please stop, you are just providing misinformation. Enchanters also aren't classified as a DPS class, but they do great DPS.

Shamans can provide good DPS while also providing utility. If you don't understand this, you need to play the class more.