sk starting points

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you already said you dont raid, if you did youd want max stamina. if you are ogre/troll sure you dont need to use sta points, but if you choose a better looking race i would. just because you raid doesnt mean you automatically are in bis, im in mostly 2nd and i dont cap until a couple more items.

Ya if you’re smart you go troll. Or ogre I guess. No more sta worries.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will actually do more damage. Things will actually die faster. You will actually be able to carry more stuff. Those are givens.

If you were aspiring to be a BiS raid geared toon? I’d say go full intelligence. If you were going to actively raid but not ever shoot for endgame BiS, either stamina or intelligence will serve you well regardless of race.

But if you’re just rolling a low strength alt to play around with (solo, xp group, whatever) … strength works just fine.

It’s really not that complicated.

Yea I'd agree with all this.

I think the best thing to understand is that starting stats don't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See I'm beginning to doubt you're even reading or understanding my posts because you're ignoring or failing to comprehend what I've said. I'm not making any argument about what things are like at 60 with capped stats. OP is extremely unlikely to ever reach that point.

The only person who isn't reading is yourself.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A level 30 SK is getting 52 HP from the STA, and roughly 110 mana from the INT. 110 mana translates to 56 HP via one Lifedraw + Life Spike, and you still have 20+ mana. Statistically the INT is helping you more while leveling.

I have already shown what INT vs. STA looks like at level 30, which isn't a level 60 BiS character. INT is giving you more HP back, and some mana to boot.

I also explained what your character looks like at level 60 with BiS gear, so you can see the pros/cons across all level ranges.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes your argument is based on facts, as is mine, but that doesn't make you correct, because the conclusions you are drawing from those facts are all wrong. You're telling some dude who wants to roll an iksar SK to play around with a Greenmist to put all his points into INT because at 60, raid-buffed and raid-geared, he's going to cap his STR and STA, and in that situation INT provides a damn near negligible benefit. Greater INT when leveling only translates to HP IF YOU RUN OUT OF MANA *and* cast the spells, because it's not sustain. Greater HP is going to keep you above the "Oh shit" threshold on a larger portion of fights and potentially preclude you from ever casting inefficient lifetaps in the first place.

As I explained above, you are getting more value out of the INT in terms of both HP and Mana while leveling. If you are at the point where you only have 50 HP left, you screwed up. The problem wasn't your starting stats, it was your strategy.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're additionally ignoring the fact that STR is going to help him do more damage 100% of the time while leveling, increasing XP, ending fights more quickly, and saving spells from ever having to be cast, while greater INT has a few fringe benefits in survivability, and you have to cast spells to realize the translation from mana to HP. Furthermore, that you believe Shralok Packs are going to keep an iksar from getting encumbered when stuffed with fine steel and other heavy junk tells me you've never played a nerd race.

I am not ignoring this fact. You are simply failing to provide any data to back up the claim that the extra damage from +20 STR is going to be noticeable. I have leveled up multiple melee characters, including an Iksar Monk with 140 STR and no Tink Bags. I am quite confident in my knowledge of how much STR helps your DPS, and how much STR you need to carry things like fine steel weapons. I generally level by killing guards and selling FS weapons lol. OP doesn't need 200+ STR to do well in terms of DPS and carry capacity.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR version for OP: stats don’t actually matter.

This is correct. Starting stats won't have a significant impact on you one way or the other. I don't think anybody (including myself) was claiming otherwise. However, some people like to know which is the BEST choice, even if it won't have a significant impact. There is a factual answer to this, and it is INT.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not ignoring this fact. You are simply failing to provide any data to back up the claim that the extra damage from +20 STR is going to be noticeable.

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This reminds me so much of this thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

449 pages of DSM demanding “data” and “evidence” while providing nothing but napkin math in return.

Seriously, it has to be the most epic thread on these forums.

Lol at shamans out dpsing mages or parallel root rotting in fast paced dps groups as a way of contributing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This reminds me so much of this thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

449 pages of DSM demanding “data” and “evidence” while providing nothing but napkin math in return.

Seriously, it has to be the most epic thread on these forums.

Lol at shamans out dpsing mages or parallel root rotting in fast paced dps groups as a way of contributing.

I proved you wrong in that thread, which you didn't read. You spent hundreds of pages claiming that solo DPS parses cannot be used to show group DPS, and I have video evidence of me in a group showing that you can match solo DPS parses. Your "evidence" that solo DPS parses cannot be used was to post silly gifs non-stop. You are a troll.

Please start providing evidence for your claims. Nobody thinks you are correct simply because you say so.

Also, please stop posting things that are off topic. Posting a thread proving you are wrong and a troll isn't a very good method to try and discredit others.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please start providing evidence for your claims. Nobody thinks you are correct simply because you say so.

This is factually inaccurate.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is factually inaccurate.

What is inaccurate?

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is inaccurate?

I think Troxx is correct because of what he said. I'm satisfied with his argument and do not need further evidence.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Troxx is correct because of what he said.

That is perfectly fine. Nobody is forcing you to agree with anybody! But he hasn't provided evidence for his claims, and I have.

I wouldn't advise believing people who refuse to provide any evidence for their claims, regardless of how confident you think they sound.

[bcbrown]

You said nobody believed him, and I do, which makes your assertion factually incorrect. That's all I'm saying.

Thank you for your advice. I will take it under advisement with as much credence as I think is due.