Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[DeathsSilkyMist]

STR is easily capped with EC gear and buffs. There's no need to waste your points on it for any melee class with 20k worth of twink gear. Having 300+ STR is not helpful.

If losing STR was a big deal, people would be telling OP to go Barbarian or Dwarf. It's apparently fine to lose 40-70 STR by picking Gnome, but it's not fine to lose 30 STR by putting points into STA.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

STR is easily capped with EC gear and buffs. There's no need to waste your points on it for any melee class with 20k worth of twink gear. Having 300+ STR is not helpful.

If losing STR was a big deal, people would be telling OP to go Barbarian or Dwarf. It's apparently fine to lose 40-70 STR by picking Gnome, but it's not fine to lose 30 STR by putting points into STA.

HE.
WANTS.
TO.
SPECIFICALLY.
BE.
A.
GNOME.

Please read op BEFORE applying DSM logic to arguements.
P.S The correct answer is ALWAYS Wizard.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HE.
WANTS.
TO.
SPECIFICALLY.
BE.
A.
GNOME.

Please read op BEFORE applying DSM logic to arguements.
P.S The correct answer is ALWAYS Wizard.

I know he wants to be a gnome. Putting periods in your sentences and turning on caps lock doesn't make you look smart.

My point is if the loss in starting STR was such a huge problem, people would be advising against picking gnome. Just because OP wants to be a gnome, it doesn't mean people cannot try to dissuade OP from being a gnome. Rogues have illusion masks as well, so race matters less in terms of fashion.

You cannot simultaneously say fashion > stats while also saying if he doesn't put 25 points into STR, he's going to have major problems playing his class. He is already losing 43+ STR for his fashion choice.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=18

The gear list I provided in the link above would put you at 160 strength as a gnome, with no buffs or points put into STR. With Maniacal Strength + FoS you will be at 295 Strength. It is trivial to cap STR in Velious era with EC gear and buffs. Even as a gnome, STA is the better starting stat choice.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cannot simultaneously say fashion > stats while also saying if he doesn't put 25 points into STR, he's going to have major problems playing his class. He is already losing 43+ STR for his fashion choice

I don’t think anybody has suggested you’re going to have major problems playing their class if you don’t go str. That’s the most ludicrous concept and if anyone agrees with that then they’re just trolling.

But there’s nothing wrong with getting the best returns from starting stats while still picking your favorite race, which is the most important.

Str just provides more short term benefit than sta for rogues. Sta provides almost no short term benefit, and not much long term benefit either as rogues don’t need to prioritize hp like warriors and sta gets capped eventually anyway.

Edit: It takes a long time to cap str without constantly relying on shaman buffs especially as a gnome even with a good twink budget while also focusing on resist gear. And buffs can get dispelled.

[fortior]

Found the new DSM thread

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found the new DSM thread

He’s right though.

With 20k gear you’ll have good enough DPS for it never to matter in groups, and that’s all you will be doing. You’ll also have enough str to cap with buffs and enough to be able to carry a fair amount of finesteel weapons and coin.

Anyone who tells me they’d notice +25str when grouping with kunark/velious gear is delusional.

Sure, stamina won’t matter either but in the end it’ll provide some use instead of none. People crying about pointless minmaxing are literally minmaxing themselves, just a different segment of the game.

I haven’t checked magelo with a BIS-profile, possibly going max dex is better to proc avatar faster in case you don’t end up capping dex. I doubt it though.

[fortior]

not having capped str on a rogue is garbage, sorry, and you can play a grouping rogue with 1 max hp

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He will never see a gnome mask, he can get a barb mask

[Evia]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but you’re leaving out the part that he’d have to forgo the incredibly awesome gnome and become an ugly barbarian to gain that 43 str…