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Bard 34 8.25%
Cleric 26 6.31%
Druid 39 9.47%
Enchanter 53 12.86%
Magician 30 7.28%
Monk 17 4.13%
Necromancer 47 11.41%
Paladin 18 4.37%
Ranger 12 2.91%
Rogue 11 2.67%
Shadow knight 16 3.88%
Shaman 45 10.92%
Warrior 15 3.64%
Wizard 25 6.07%
Won't play on a new server 24 5.83%
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Old 02-19-2023, 04:02 PM
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I have a shaman on Green and have been playing him since before Kunark. Sure, it was a pain in the ass previous to Kunark, but not because of JBB or Epic, but because of the spells. It's not till Kunark that we get the juicy spells. Imagine a lvl50 Shaman casting a lvl24 Cannibalize spell over and over non-stop. I still have nightmares about that, plus 20+ guys in raids sending me tells asking for 5 to more than 10 types (Stats, sow/shrink, regens & resists) of different buffs each. Most I get asked for nowadays is Shrink & FoS/STA.

Still, once Kunark comes out, he sure shares the soloing capability of an enchanter, although before that, I was hunting guards at freeport or clearing Ishva camp at a respectable pace. The shaman is a more stable soloer than an enchanter. Like I always say, the shaman path is a SLOW one. Heck, I've been soloing mobs in Velious that no enchanter would ever be able to solo (Royal Scribe and Huntsman, for instance).

That said, the shaman will kill at a much slower rate than a necro or an enchanter. But at the same time, their pros and cons is what make shaman + necro or shaman + enchanter such awesome duos.
Killing slowly is a big part of what makes it a sub-optimal soloing class, until you get to the point where you can maintain a never-ending sequence of killing and/or root-rot multiple mobs at a time. Until then, shaman definitely doesn't belong on the same tier as enchanter and necromancer.

And in classic, nearly all relevant content is located deep inside endgame dungeons where shamans just don't really have the means to do it. Enchanters and necros can crush it in SolB and LGuk. What's the limit of shaman soloing in classic? Ishva? Ghoul sage? By no means is it a top tier soloist pre-Kunark.
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Old 02-19-2023, 05:28 PM
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Killing slowly is a big part of what makes it a sub-optimal soloing class, until you get to the point where you can maintain a never-ending sequence of killing and/or root-rot multiple mobs at a time. Until then, shaman definitely doesn't belong on the same tier as enchanter and necromancer.

And in classic, nearly all relevant content is located deep inside endgame dungeons where shamans just don't really have the means to do it. Enchanters and necros can crush it in SolB and LGuk. What's the limit of shaman soloing in classic? Ishva? Ghoul sage? By no means is it a top tier soloist pre-Kunark.
If killing slowly is a big part of making it suboptimal, then the enchanter is also suboptimal since they have no way to heal themselves other than assuming Troll Form for a measly 2hp regen and sit down for a long time. So, with that in Mind, I guess pre-kunark and possibly post-kunark, necro beats both shaman and chanter's ass soloing.

Just grab an enchanter, or a shaman, and duo with a friend who's the other class and no camp will be too much for the both of you. And if you add a necro...
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Old 02-19-2023, 05:46 PM
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Pre Kunark necros are a waste of time, otherwise they'd be a solid choice.
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Old 02-19-2023, 06:39 PM
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Classic era necros can solo any named on dead side guk,they can solo alli in oot. Very powerful class in classic, second only to enchanters
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:59 PM
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Pre Kunark necros are a waste of time, otherwise they'd be a solid choice.
I agree, but mainly because there are no iksars. It's the main reason I wouldn't roll for one prekunark.
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Old 02-19-2023, 10:28 PM
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To those going SK/Pally /Salute From one Day 1 Knight to the others. You are the brave, people will shun you, but just show them the error of their ways. It can be tough, but Knights are truly amazing in classic EQ.

Also imo let people play what they want. First few months are super fun to see all the grouping
I think I only got shunned once or twice for being an SK/hybrid on Green and it was very early. Most of the time I was getting /tell's from every single dungeon to come tank because there was such a shortage. The grouping dried up at 45 though which sucked. Ended up solo'ing specs or being in the Raid XP group to get the last few levels.
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Old 02-19-2023, 11:39 PM
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My dark elf warrior effort on launch night lasted a few days, made it to 20ish but man the gear issue was real. Ended up getting a weapon in Befallen, and being donated some bronze armor from someone further ahead but ended up rerolling a mage and having a way better time.
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Old 02-20-2023, 12:03 AM
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Guess I've played everything else, would be time to be the underdog.
That's why I went half-elf ranger for green. Underdog of the underdogs, lol.

Other than enchanter and necro, it's now my 3rd favorite class!
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Old 02-20-2023, 12:11 AM
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Definitely rogue!!! Can get mad rich SUPER early to fund tradeskills or buying stuffs.

Also can go into high end dungeons and try to secure some high value items early (you would be surprised what sticky fingers can get).
I fully expect to hear about any shenanigans you get into, bow kiting or otherwise.
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Old 02-20-2023, 12:36 AM
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My dark elf warrior effort on launch night lasted a few days, made it to 20ish but man the gear issue was real. Ended up getting a weapon in Befallen, and being donated some bronze armor from someone further ahead but ended up rerolling a mage and having a way better time.
It gave me much entertainment to see how magician players were complaining how broken their class was at 39 while melees were still struggling to break 19.
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