Best Duo

[Envious]

The bard thing is really obvious i thought... bard gets 50+ mobs, kites them down to 70%, pulls over wizard. Wizard then PBAE's them... they compliment? Early levels bards can tank with regen song, at 32+ they can regen the wizard between 100+ NPC pulls...

Why am I having to explain this to you?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can wizards not AE kite here? Dont play one, but was under the impression they could.

4 mobs max with targeted AoE. Enchanter could be clarity-bot - but why duo just to have a clarity bot? There's just a lack of a cohesive strategy that benefits both players.

And why "duo" so the wizard can get groups? Again - don't get me wrong, just about any two classes could do successfully, but I was only pointing out that wizard duos typically don't work well unless they're centered around AoE in some form.

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bard thing is really obvious i thought... bard gets 50+ mobs, kites them down to 70%, pulls over wizard. Wizard then PBAE's them... they compliment? Early levels bards can tank with regen song, at 32+ they can regen the wizard between 100+ NPC pulls...

Why am I having to explain this to you?

I apologize if I've frustrated you...

It's just I know how much damage a wizard can put out with pbaoe (and how fast he can do that)...and it doesn't seem like it would be faster for the trouble than the Bard, solo, until much later (like late 40s with supernova for speed and 53 at least for the Jyll's line). Dunno tho - it sounds appealing at later levels, but questionable early on. It's something I'm interested enough in to test.

And for pre-AoE kiting Bard/Wiz, the duo is tenable (as I mentioned earlier), but it doesn't seem to have a good multiplier effect for both players. The wizard is pretty much just nuking while the Bard melees.


But i'll admit i'm being a bit picky. My bad.

[shdwdrake8]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(except for Bard/Rogue which is obviously bad..).

What? Zero downtime, crazy dps, and ability to kill anything that doesn't resist songs? Yeah, you're right, obviously bad.

[Kevlar]

bard cleric was the best for me. could aoe kite 20~30 mobs and the cleric could sit nearby to 96% rez me if i got a lag spike.

oh and i could easily chant kite down most named mobs as long as they didnt hit for more than 3 or 4k. getting summoned was no big deal since it happens regularly. just gotta time the cheals. bard in good gear can chant kite anything only taking one melee round of dmg every 10 secs or so. heck i could solo break plane of fear.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by shdwdrake8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? Zero downtime, crazy dps, and ability to kill anything that doesn't resist songs? Yeah, you're right, obviously bad.

The best ability of the bard is mass packs for AoE, not really a rogue speciality. I suppose the rogue could kill some individuals in the mob more quickly but not nearly as effective as anyone with AoE.

If you kill just individual mobs not having /stick will get old really fast.

I guess you see nice benefits in fear kiting but its probably a lot less effective than a bard just AoE kiting.

[Tewaz]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heck i could solo break plane of fear.

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[falkun]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I can believe it. Granted you can't do any of the killing, but a bard waltzing into PoFear can kite things all day while the rest of the force zones in and moves to camp location. I've broken fear a few times after watching other guilds wipe.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can believe it. Granted you can't do any of the killing, but a bard waltzing into PoFear can kite things all day while the rest of the force zones in and moves to camp location. I've broken fear a few times after watching other guilds wipe.

This is assuming you resist every single fear, shadowstep, etc that those mobs throw at you. Not saying it's not doable, but it is highly dependent on which mobs you are kiting and dumb luck in the form of resist checks.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is assuming you resist every single fear, shadowstep, etc that those mobs throw at you. Not saying it's not doable, but it is highly dependent on which mobs you are kiting and dumb luck in the form of resist checks.

You are assuming that I'm kiting these things in small circles. You can be the only person on the aggro list and be well outside of casting range.

[Kevlar]

yep. i'd kite everything around the portal while the raid set up at the safe wall. keep up resist song and selos. with epic and resist gear you arent getting feared or snared.

only problem i ever had was eating a dt now and again if something spread aggro to one of the minis.