Erudite SK... Am I forgetting any specific items?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Narandi Crown, as an example, is not going against OP's original post. You can buy a Narandi Crown without raiding at all.

If OP says farming plat/items takes too long, then the only other option is raiding.

If OP doesn't want to raid and can't spend the time farming, he isn't going to get items.

Something OP may not have considered is earning DKP through non-raid activities and using that to fund the hat.

If OP enjoys running toons around, covering ports, PLing alts, buff parties, etc there are options available there in some guilds.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree with respect to that specific item, which is why I also recommended remembering it if he sticks around long term. If you want a moderately expensive droppable and can't get one in say 5 years, even as a casual, you're either unfathomably bad at EQ or you don't actually want one that much. Not wanting one is perfectly valid. I don't have a crown myself because I like having a graphic hat better--but I could have one if I wanted it.

Danth

Agreed. And yes, I do have mixed feelings about Narandi Crown's fashion. On some characters having no helm graphic is cool, but I really like the Velious graphic for male Trolls. I wish you could have a Custom Narandi Crown hehe.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something OP may not have considered is earning DKP through non-raid activities and using that to fund the hat.

If OP enjoys running toons around, covering ports, PLing alts, buff parties, etc there are options available there in some guilds.

That is a great point! You can indeed get DKP through non-raiding means, and that would still probably take less time than farming plat/items. But you do need to show up to the kill generally speaking to bid on an item, so he would have to at least attend the raids for the items he wants. So it probably wouldn't work out if OP remains resolute in his 0 raiding policy.

[stealthbeast]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not agree, Shamwowi. In his very first post he explicitly laid out his requirements. Advice that does not fit the stated requirements is worthless, and that's the fault of the person giving it. If I'm doing wind loading calculations for a wood frame structure, someone moseying by suggesting I switch to steel when the requirement calls for wood is of no help. Have to work within the requirements laid out. That's why they're requirements.

And honestly, I can tolerate semi-irrelevant advice when it's simply offered at a glance, I mean, good to consider ALL options right? But then I persisted in giving my hard NO and... this... this tendency to just persistently badger people who refuse to raid is baffling to me. "You could get this item." turns to "You really should get this item" turns to "You really should raid" turns to "Why aren't you raiding?" followed by people trying to dissect my personal issues with raiding to try to convince me to do it anyway even though I started this entire thing making it 100% clear that I am not interested in it. "Hey, you don't actually have to sell your soul, with just ____ investment, you can raid and get SOME of the items you need" and eventually "If you aren't willing to put ____ investment, you don't belong in this game". Condescendingly breaking a simple subject down in mathematical terms as if I have no idea how to play this game. I have a 59 necro. I know how to generate money (and a hell of a lot more than 500pp every 2 hours).

Raiding and farming sucks ass to me, the whole point is to do less of it. Farming is sometimes necessary, but raiding isn't, and I hate doing it, so I'm not gonna do it, and I don't need a better reason.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by stealthbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And honestly, I can tolerate semi-irrelevant advice when it's simply offered at a glance, I mean, good to consider ALL options right? But then I persisted in giving my hard NO and... this... this tendency to just persistently badger people who refuse to raid is baffling to me. "You could get this item." turns to "You really should get this item" turns to "You really should raid" turns to "Why aren't you raiding?" followed by people trying to dissect my personal issues with raiding to try to convince me to do it anyway even though I started this entire thing making it 100% clear that I am not interested in it. "Hey, you don't actually have to sell your soul, with just ____ investment, you can raid and get SOME of the items you need" and eventually "If you aren't willing to put ____ investment, you don't belong in this game". Condescendingly breaking a simple subject down in mathematical terms as if I have no idea how to play this game. I have a 59 necro. I know how to generate money (and a hell of a lot more than 500pp every 2 hours).

Raiding and farming sucks ass to me, the whole point is to do less of it. Farming is sometimes necessary, but raiding isn't, and I hate doing it, so I'm not gonna do it, and I don't need a better reason.

No one is badgering you, and again I wasn't trying to force you off Everquest lol. You are taking this way too personally/seriously. You need to calm down.

You are simply painting yourself into a corner, and then complaining when no advise fits your specific needs.

If you want to save time (or don't have a lot of play time), then raiding is going to give you the best "bang for your buck" in terms of items. That is what we are trying to say. You don't have to "sell your soul".

If you don't want to raid, then you will need to take the more time intensive route of farming plat/items.

If you don't want to raid, don't want to farm, and just want to buff noobs in EC, you aren't going to get items.

What other advise can we give?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other advise can we give?

Here's a curious exercise: What's the best character you can build with a budget of 500P per slot, 2500 for weapon? Call it the Junkman Challenge.

[stealthbeast]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other advise can we give?

Maybe none. I didn't ask for an infinite amount of advice. I asked what erudite-specific gear I'm missing out on for my SK.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by stealthbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And honestly, I can tolerate semi-irrelevant advice when it's simply offered at a glance, I mean, good to consider ALL options right? But then I persisted in giving my hard NO and... this... this tendency to just persistently badger people who refuse to raid is baffling to me. "You could get this item." turns to "You really should get this item" turns to "You really should raid" turns to "Why aren't you raiding?" followed by people trying to dissect my personal issues with raiding to try to convince me to do it anyway even though I started this entire thing making it 100% clear that I am not interested in it. "Hey, you don't actually have to sell your soul, with just ____ investment, you can raid and get SOME of the items you need" and eventually "If you aren't willing to put ____ investment, you don't belong in this game". Condescendingly breaking a simple subject down in mathematical terms as if I have no idea how to play this game. I have a 59 necro. I know how to generate money (and a hell of a lot more than 500pp every 2 hours).

Raiding and farming sucks ass to me, the whole point is to do less of it. Farming is sometimes necessary, but raiding isn't, and I hate doing it, so I'm not gonna do it, and I don't need a better reason.

Sorry you don't got raid, hope that helps.

[Encroaching Death]

Top end gear doesn't really improve your character or make gameplay that much easier.

Like lvl 1 to 20, sure.

But past that, a fully twinked out character is like 10% better than a normally geared character.

When I got my first Fungi tunic, I was hugely disappointed because it's overhyped.

Getting buffed by higher level characters is way easier, cheaper, and better.

EQ is a game of inches.

Getting that sweet raid upgrade will make you 0.097% better. You won't even notice a difference.

Banded Armor is all you need in this game.

[yorumi]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not agree, Shamwowi. In his very first post he explicitly laid out his requirements. Advice that does not fit the stated requirements is worthless, and that's the fault of the person giving it. If I'm doing wind loading calculations for a wood frame structure, someone moseying by suggesting I switch to steel when the requirement calls for wood is of no help. Have to work within the requirements laid out. That's why they're requirements.

In this game you can either be bad at it and raid and get really nice stuff, be good at it and not raid and get middling stuff, or be bad and not raid and then you're stuck with junk. Take your pick.

I don’t entirely disagree but in many cases it’s not a bad thing to try to get a person to consider thing they may have written off for all the wrong reasons. It’s not terrible to suggest a person could expand their horizons or that they might have an incorrect idea about something. However, given his over the top temper tantrum I think it’s pretty obvious why he doesn’t want to interact with a guild.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a curious exercise: What's the best character you can build with a budget of 500P per slot, 2500 for weapon? Call it the Junkman Challenge.

I understand where you are coming from, but OP has already said he has a full set of https://wiki.project1999.com/Guardian_Armor and https://wiki.project1999.com/Silver_Chitin_Hand_Wraps.

That is going to be better or on par with anything you could come up with via the Junk Man challenge (love the name hehe).

He is honestly at the point where Narandi Crown is the type of item he is looking for in terms of an upgrade. That or maybe the Skyshrine/Kael No Drop Armor quests.

I think this is why nobody can satisfy OP's request. If he was in all Leather/Banded, there are a lot more options in terms of upgrades.

Honestly that is why I didn't think he would have a problem with farming. Clearly he has the time to do it.