Self found shaman

[Toxigen]

i mean lets face the music...its iksar because PD robe exists

[Snaggles]

Nitpicking shaman traits is some rarified air. It’s complaining about ride quality with your Bentley compared to your Rolls. Must be nice to have such a sensitive backside.

I think threads like these do more damage than good. More intimidation for new players. The more classes I play the less I like any particular one or believe it to be “the best”. It’s just another char to park for raids or to help folks with.

The best thing you can do is level to 60. At 60 the best thing you can do is figure out how to play and get rid of the bad habits. Oh and get of those charok slow sticks for stuff that really matters. Your stupid clicky spear won’t give you a yolo swing to slow something 70%.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think threads like these do more damage than good. More intimidation for new players.

If nothing else we can help dispell the notion that the ogre racial makes a player totally immune to all spell interrupts. I've ran into numerous people in-game over the years who actually thought that. The limiting factors for most players in this game amounts to patience, motivation, and skill. The wife and I have done stuff on our thurgadin-equivalent characters that a lot or most people in temple veeshan-level stuff never do, not because they can't, but because they don't care or don't know. Likewise Shamwowi solo'd a burrower on his shaman awhile back when I have not, because I don't feel like fussing with that level of tedium.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If nothing else we can help dispell the notion that the ogre racial makes a player totally immune to all spell interrupts. I've ran into numerous people in-game over the years who actually thought that.

Ok fair point [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

I like to remind ogre warriors in the middle of their neckbeard grooming if they went gnome they would have 40% spell haste on tap 24/7.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nitpicking shaman traits is some rarified air. It’s complaining about ride quality with your Bentley compared to your Rolls. Must be nice to have such a sensitive backside.

I think threads like these do more damage than good. More intimidation for new players. The more classes I play the less I like any particular one or believe it to be “the best”. It’s just another char to park for raids or to help folks with.

The best thing you can do is level to 60. At 60 the best thing you can do is figure out how to play and get rid of the bad habits. Oh and get of those charok slow sticks for stuff that really matters. Your stupid clicky spear won’t give you a yolo swing to slow something 70%.

It's not about nitpicking, it's simply about informing new players. If a player wants to min/max their Shaman, they will want to know what is best. It's really that simple. You can't change your race after creation, and characters take a long time to level.

Some people like min/maxing, some people like fashion, some people don't care. None of those options are wrong, or should be discouraged.

The problem is some people who prefer Regeneration have magical ideas about it, and they confuse new players by trying to downplay how FSI works.

Neither racial is complicated, so I am not sure why they want to do this. It's just hurting new players.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is some people who prefer Regeneration have magical ideas about it, and they confuse new players by trying to downplay how FSI works.

The ogre racial is the worst one in the game for people getting "magical" ideas about its effectiveness. I recall, for example, one ogre shadow knight who marveled at my human. How could my character possibly cast spells during combat? It's not frontal immune! Dude actually thought it was impossible for a non-ogre to cast while in melee. He was more extreme than most, but overall that racial gets blown so far out of proportion all we can do is laugh. I liked your efforts awhile back to try to put some hard numbers on its actual effect.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ogre racial is the worst one in the game for people getting "magical" ideas about its effectiveness. I recall, for example, one ogre shadow knight who marveled at my human. How could my character possibly cast spells during combat? It's not frontal immune! Dude actually thought it was impossible for a non-ogre to cast while in melee. He was more extreme than most, but overall that racial gets blown so far out of proportion all we can do is laugh. I liked your efforts awhile back to try to put some hard numbers on its actual effect.

Danth

Specifically on these forums at least, I disagree. People think Regeneration does things it shouldn't, which doesn't make sense considering it is simply an addition or multiplication problem. Trolls get 4800 HP per hour standing at level 60, assuming they never hit max HP. That's it. This means people either have weird ideas, or are trying to defend their race choice for some reason.

Conversely, I don't think I have had someone vehemently stick to some silly opinion about how FSI works. People generally just ask about it, and thank you for the explanation. I agree FSI is a bit more complicated to understand, but I don't see nearly as many people claim it to do strange things and then stick to those ideas vehemently. I do see this with Regeneration.

[Danth]

That type of debate tended to come up more often in the tank discussion than the shaman threads. I don';t recollect you hanging out in those threads all that much until more recent years. Bash resistance is (mostly) universally recognized as a useful trait for a high-end soloist shaman.

Knock against the ogre perk is it's heavily limited towards the soloist and all-or-nothing in nature. Only works if you're getting hit. Look at the wife: Last time we went to West Wastes this past week, we killed, I dunno, maybe a dozen or so nest dragons including a plus-6. She never got bashed even once--the ogre racial would've been utterly worthless even if she had it. P99's community mostly veers towards either solo or raiding; only a minority of people have a permanent long-term duo like we have. Hence we're something of an exception to the norm. For most folks I'd call the ogre trait the best for an established 60 shaman, just like everyone else.

Danth

[Encroaching Death]

Back in '99 one of my buddies tried to convince me that FSI existed in real life too.

So he decided to chub up to prove it. He gained a few pounds and challenged me.

"Hit me. Now that I got some fat built up, hit me."

So I punched him in the face.

[Trainhop]

Journeyman's walking stick is really good for shamans, frees up a spot in the group now that you can kick that dramaqueen ench.