Is everybody insane?

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have told me you draw a distinction between physical punishment and violence. I disagree. There's not really any way to address that judgement call logically without some scientific evidence neither of us have. The rest is posturing so I'm not sure where your indignation is coming from.

I hope this clears up why I have estimated that you are a barbarian.

Not at all, because you're still trying to equate abuse with reasonable. I've been trying to point out that the two are different all this time, and that I'm on the reasonable side. You keep trying to put me on the abuse side.

If you want to say that any form of physically touching a child in any way is 'abuse', then you're still a complete idiot. And by the way, directly from my neighbor that works in a medically professional capacity with children and babies all day long, good luck raising your own kids, you're gonna need it.

Also, I'm not a barbarian. I'm a warrior, monk, druid, cleric, and shadowknight, but not barbarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Polixenes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is one of many examples of how reasonable argument applied to children does not always result in said children getting a clue, thus physical correction is required.

Stormhowl, you are just going to have to paddle young Japan's backside.

I got that taken care of [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Knuckle]

What I would personally like to see, is something that would start just above the knee, and extend to just above the belly button. When you think about it, the business end of males and females are in the same region, And while you can forgive the lack of any significant upper torso, it's a bit harder to ignore the lack of any leg segment. You know its not there, you feel its not there, even if you close your eyes. Not to forget, what you have to feel and grab with your hands is also just as important.

[Stormhowl]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all, because you're still trying to equate abuse with reasonable. I've been trying to point out that the two are different all this time, and that I'm on the reasonable side. You keep trying to put me on the abuse side.

If you want to say that any form of physically touching a child in any way is 'abuse', then you're still a complete idiot.

To elaborate on this further, "abuse" as defined by a professional refers to a PATTERN of violent physical and emotional abuse with the aim to control a person. A pattern of demeaning a spouse and using intimidation to keep them away from their friends and family is abuse. Spanking a child when they get impossibly unruly is not abuse.

Children cannot reason until the age of 11. And until they are fully developed, they react emotionally rather than rationally. If you think you can "hugs and kisses" and talk your kids down when they're throwing a temper tantrum in McDonalds? You're kidding yourself.

[Theldios]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bullshit, and you said it yourself. It's about responsible teaching. Sometimes the only thing that will have the appropriate impact is a reasonable amount of physical reinforcement.

Please note the use of the words sometimes, appropriate, and reasonable. This does not mean beating a kid into fear or the hospital.

Physical reinforcment is not responsible teaching. It is the last resort of those who do not know how to deal with a child. Again i have NEVER hit my children and 2 of the 3 are grown men who are good productive members of society
the 3rd is only a small child still and he will never be hit in any manner by me or my wife for discipline. Violence in any form is never the answer

[baalzy]

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[Theldios]

Originally Posted by Stormhowl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but parenting isn't even HALF of the job of raising a child. Peers and teachers have 50%, if not MORE than 50% of the development of a child. And who cares if you have raised a pair of good children? Anecdotal evidence is so... irrelevant.

your pretty dilusional arn't you? the proof is in my children that my way works and works well. The proof is in that the way of the sword creats more of the way of the sword. and the proof is in the teachings of the bleeding heart liberals has hurt more of our children then ever helped. social promotion is one of the bleeding heart liberal programs that shows the great proof of how messed up the teachers and teaching styles of today are.

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Theldios [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Physical reinforcment is not responsible teaching. It is the last resort of those who do not know how to deal with a child. Again i have NEVER hit my children and 2 of the 3 are grown men who are good productive members of society
the 3rd is only a small child still and he will never be hit in any manner by me or my wife for discipline. Violence in any form is never the answer

Oh, you fucking morons.

First, congradulations, and I sincerely mean that. If that works for you, great, and wonderful.

This is NOT the case with ALL children.

Second, if you are going to join the bandwagon of people misunderstanding the usage of the word 'violence' when compared to, 'physical' in this context, then shut the fuck up.

Again I will try this:

I'm not advocating violence. I'm not advocating abuse. You are trying to make it sound that way. I'm talking about rational enforcement of behavioral standards through physical means that do not include abuse. Stop trying to make me sound like a childbeater, you stupid, holier-than-thou motherfuckers. If you can't wrap your brain around that, go hug your kids and keep deluding yourself into thinking that any form of physical contact is abuse.

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Theldios [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your pretty dilusional arn't you? the proof is in my children that my way works and works well. The proof is in that the way of the sword creats more of the way of the sword. and the proof is in the teachings of the bleeding heart liberals has hurt more of our children then ever helped. social promotion is one of the bleeding heart liberal programs that shows the great proof of how messed up the teachers and teaching styles of today are.

By the way, I'd like to point out that this is the example that started this whole post. Too stupid to know the difference between 'your' and 'you're', and don't care. Too wrapped up in being the pinnacle of perfect parenting because your one and only experience (your own family) has to be the exact same as everyone else, therefore making you an absolute authority.

[Theldios]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, you fucking morons.

First, congradulations, and I sincerely mean that. If that works for you, great, and wonderful.

This is NOT the case with ALL children.

Second, if you are going to join the bandwagon of people misunderstanding the usage of the word 'violence' when compared to, 'physical' in this context, then shut the fuck up.

Again I will try this:

I'm not advocating violence. I'm not advocating abuse. You are trying to make it sound that way. I'm talking about rational enforcement of behavioral standards through physical means that do not include abuse. Stop trying to make me sound like a childbeater, you stupid, holier-than-thou motherfuckers. If you can't wrap your brain around that, go hug your kids and keep deluding yourself into thinking that any form of physical contact is abuse.

your a moron
not much more to say than that
Hitting is violence. there is no such thing as resonable hitting period
It is a violent act and you are teching your child violence. plan and simple
no if ands or buts about it.
Hitting is a violent act
No one ever said you were a child beater you have been trying this whole time to justify the of hitting a child as a disciplinary measure. I disagree and think that it is the last resort of those who do not know any better

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too stupid to know the difference between 'your' and 'you're', and don't care.

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

congradulations