When are they Implementing the Charm Nerf?

[Neric]

On live server back in the day charisma had zero impact on charm. It was "broken" since day 1 and didn't get fixed until 2004 when I stopped playing.

[cannobeers3]

Anecdotes, individual recall from 23 years ago and confirmation bias. That some fantastic bird-lawyerin'.

[Gustoo]

Give clarity to wizards

delete enchanter class

(since we're just saying stupid shit we would want)

Possibly the charm breaking here is classic

In that case, it is only the channeling that is not classic.

I remember having to cast between enemy attacks, or else it was almost guaranteed interrupt. Here I just expect the cast to go off, and am surprised when it doesn't.

Until not too long ago, pure melee classes had full channeling capabilities so rogue / monk / warrior could channel their clickies, when in reality those spells were 100% interrupted because of their lack of channeling.

When you have a charm break and no where to go and can't re cast without good chance of interrupt the enchanter class is a lot different, and that maybe what we're seeing here.

[DMN]

if anything enchanters are ovely gimped on p99, with key aspects of their kit is entirely missing (like memory blurring your animation). Thats why i think its so hillarious when dumb and dumber always show up to these threads to deonstrate just how little know about actual classic EQ.

[Gustoo]

I thought the first years of project 1999 are now considered equivilent to actual classic EQ since project 1999 has now gone more than 10 years longer than classic EQ ever did, officially re-writing history?

I think its possible that the way the spells work is classic

And it's just channeling that is ridiculous. When charm used to break and you couldn't channel like a mad dog, you died. Enchanter pets used to wipe out groups ALL THE TIME groups that didn't want to wipe told enchanters to use mez and keep everyone claritied and that was basically it.

[bomaroast]

Charm 20 years ago broke regularly and often did not last very long at all, and this was when enchanters knew they needed lots of charisma. The P99 charm has always lasted too long, too regularly.

[Jimjam]

Gates of Discord i think is the (an?) era for charm nerf. Tanks were struggling to tank xp content without getting 1 rounded so people used pets instead, especially charm pets (which also could do enough damage a round to potentially kill an ornate geared 65 tank).

[-Catherin-]

oh yikes i stand corrected

[loramin]

Whenever these conversations come up, we always get these "I totally remember my character charm soloing Vox in classic" comments.

Meanwhile, everyone else who played in classic remembers the class very clearly, because we all grouped with them in classic. They were not charm soloing gods; in fact the vast majority didn't solo (even while Druids, Mages, Necros, etc. did): they grouped.

In groups they most certainly did not charm regularly in groups (as it was far too risky)! They mezzed, and hasted, and cast clarity, and the good ones would get hit from time to time to get their animation to give some tiny extra DPS. But most just did mez/clarity/haste.

If you ask random people (not P99 Enchanter players) who played EQ in 1999-2001 what Enchanters were like, I guarantee 90+% will give you something like the above, and not this unclassic P99 version where "Enchanters are the best soloing class and can charm solo anything with ease". And similarly if you look at objective evidence, like old forum posts or other Wayback Machine stuff from the era, they'll all describe the same classic enchanter, who was nothing like the P99 Enchanter, because in live ... to a far greater degree than here ... charm was risky and dangerous.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wooooords!!

I'm def in the boat of people who mostly saw enchanters in groups doing crowd control, buffs, debuffs, etc.. but that doesn't mean charm isn't functioning correctly here because we didn't see how it could be used back in the day.

why not argue that shaman dot's are way too strong on p99, because back in the day I only ever saw shamans in groups buffing, debuffing, and healing. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
^^^ this is meant as a joke.