Rogean and Nilbog are Breaking the Law!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Shac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so we all agree p99 shouldn't share code to honor the license or that they don't have to because the license means nothing?

I thought everyone here was a young doctor AND a young lawyer? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The young lawyering in this thread is sad.

But seriously, these licenses are not some crazy disputed legal question: they are very well established in the software world. At work I've had to conduct audits of the packages we use, checking every license to make sure our company was in compliance ... and this was at a small startup! And as an aside, no company I've worked for has ever used GPL3 software, precisely because of this requirement.

The fact that it's not a corporation violating the law is the only unique thing here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that in practice it'd be far less likely for anyone to pursue any legal action when there's no money involved ... but, again, P99 receives donations.

At the end of the day the bigger point you are missing is both EQEMU and P99 are technically illegal to begin with. So it doesn't really matter what EQEMU's "licensing" entails. The only reason why EQEMU still exists is because the Everquest IP holders have made it clear that they currently have no intention to take legal action. That doesn't mean EQEMU and P99 are suddenly legal, it just means they will not be taken action against for now.

I do not actually believe the EQEMU dev's COULD take legal action against anybody who uses their code for Everquest emulation, because that requires you to illegally use Everquest's IP, client code, etc.

The only case where I could see the EQEMU dev's having a case to begin with is if someone took their code, used it in something completely unrelated to Everquest, and claimed it as their own. Then at least you probably won't have to deal with the Everquest side of things. But P99 isn't doing that.

[Shac]

doesnt the link provided above to the license itself, direct people who want to pursue action, free legal support?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Shac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

doesnt the link provided above to the license itself, direct people who want to pursue action, free legal support?

Free is not equal to good[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Yes, maybe you can get free legal representation, but I don't see much of a case to begin with, as there are no damages.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

"Free" also depends on how the lawyers make money. For example, in personal injury cases you do not pay legal fees unless you win the case. So that doesn't mean "completely free", it means "free unless you win". That means if you DON'T have a case, lawyers will probably not take the case, as they have no chance of winning, which means getting back the money it cost them to pursue your case.

[Shac]

if there is no case, and the lawyer isn't good enough to know it, isn't it a perfect representation for this type of attack on licensing requirements?

[Gustoo]

I don't think that the way these emu servers work is "illegal" it requires users to purchase the game software and bla bla i dunno?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The young lawyering in this thread is sad.

Well, you're the only one lawyering here, and it is sad, but fyi everyone else is just telling you to shutup.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day the bigger point you are missing is both EQEMU and P99 are technically illegal to begin with. So it doesn't really matter what EQEMU's "licensing" entails. The only reason why EQEMU still exists is because the Everquest IP holders have made it clear that they currently have no intention to take legal action. That doesn't mean EQEMU and P99 are suddenly legal, it just means they will not be taken action against for now.

I do not actually believe the EQEMU dev's COULD take legal action against anybody who uses their code for Everquest emulation, because that requires you to illegally use Everquest's IP, client code, etc.

The only case where I could see the EQEMU dev's having a case to begin with is if someone took their code, used it in something completely unrelated to Everquest, and claimed it as their own. Then at least you probably won't have to deal with the Everquest side of things. But P99 isn't doing that.

It's not like they are operating on Tor or something. They are running an legit enough operation to take Paypal donations.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not like they are operating on Tor or something. They are running an legit enough operation to take Paypal donations.

That doesn't mean anything though, you like constantly do this.

You're like, Well I decree by taking donations that it is a legitimate business!

Its like one thing does not mean the other, it just means there is a donate button there.

You can have a donate button on a dog fighting website.