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Old 11-01-2021, 10:07 PM
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I'm probably a little biased because I don't want to contribute to producing a heartbeat.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:09 PM
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im alot more interested in russia's nuclear powered ramjet missle. (9M730 Burevestnik)

if true, it would be an actual global military strategy gamechanger, probably the biggest since the advent of nuclear weapons.

Unlimited range and hypersonic, it could fly around the world for years until assigned a target.

nobody's air defences can beat mach 20 yet, that we know of.
missiles can't swim and our tridents carry MIRV ordinance

not a gamechanger unless we don't have a deadman's hand(inshallah)
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:18 PM
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missiles can't swim and our tridents carry MIRV ordinance

not a gamechanger unless we don't have a deadman's hand(inshallah)
Launched from 30 meters underwater, the trident does sort of swim to the surface where it engages its rockets.

Everybody has MIRVs, problem is these days that ICBM payloads are just guided gravity bombs, they don't move fast, the initial ascent stages from launches anywhere on earth are picked up by dozens of satellites.

If MIRVs should be dropped (they come from orbit), air defenses from standoff ranges can destroy them with relative ease. You can launch several ICBMs with dozens of dummy MIRVs, and the chances of hitting a target in a modern nation are slim to none these days.

the time of ICBM is over.

Hypersonic missle development is basically taking the best ideas from all "destroy a whole country" doctrines and putting them into one package.

of course, this is Russia's statement, so taken with a big grain of salt, but any real world proof of concept will make global defense budgets go skyward.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:24 PM
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If MIRVs should be dropped (they come from orbit), air defenses from standoff ranges can destroy them with relative ease.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:59 PM
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look it up bro, MIRV's really are yesterday's news, even without nuclear ramjets

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I wonder if I, an addict and lover of everquest, would be happier in a world where we talked about everquest type things and we just herded goats.
We have already had all of the everquest discussions possible, several times over and all variants.

Thats why the guilds just flame each other in RnF these days

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I believe mutually assured destruction is really real.
Rest assured, M.A.D. will always be real.

Kinetic rods would be like 100 tons of tungsten each, we can barely put 5 tons of stuff in orbit per launch. They are yet sci fi, but they would be more effective than MIRVs, as their entry and strike points would not be easily predictable.

Yeah when your enemy can hit you at mach 20, attrition isnt a bad strategy, you mentioned old school weapons, someone on some side of that war would end up driving bombs in cars to cities.

Spears would revert society to the rule of the strongest, not the smartest, and neither of them ever lets you play with their cool toys, or in on their gov't contracts.
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Old 11-01-2021, 11:21 PM
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look it up bro, MIRV's really are yesterday's news, even without nuclear ramjets

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theres a boomer around...



We have already had all of the everquest discussions possible, several times over and all variants.

Thats why the guilds just flame each other in RnF these days



Rest assured, M.A.D. will always be real.

Kinetic rods would be like 100 tons of tungsten each, we can barely put 5 tons of stuff in orbit per launch. They are yet sci fi, but they would be more effective than MIRVs, as their entry and strike points would not be easily predictable.

Yeah when your enemy can hit you at mach 20, attrition isnt a bad strategy, you mentioned old school weapons, someone on some side of that war would end up driving bombs in cars to cities.

Spears would revert society to the rule of the strongest, not the smartest, and neither of them ever lets you play with their cool toys, or in on their gov't contracts.
Hypersonic is mach 5 you keep saying mach 20 for some reason.

Fix your liturgy, ape.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:10 PM
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Pretty disappointed that the US sunk to deadmans hand territory. Also, the most likely point of failure in the whole system. Garanteed to eventually fail. Like everything does. Eventually.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:20 PM
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Yes. At this point the bottleneck becomes sensors compute power and communication speeds.

Maybe another interesting application for non locality.

Defense is often a poor or costly tactic. And even in a conventional war it's convenient to allow the enemy to spread out covering "useless territory ".

Thinking machines may play the next major conflicts for us with generals selecting from several scenarios.

I want to take the toys away and return humanity to the spear. Mostly Because I'm jealous of the really rich princess of the military industry who make all this stuff and have the access, permission to build, play with whatever technologies they want without any real oversight or transparency.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:34 PM
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Close personal human relationships are weird and gross.
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Old 11-01-2021, 11:07 PM
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Yeah. I'm trying to not be personally really mad.

I want to know if I could put like thousands of tiny aerodynamic ceramic projectiles in orbit. Thats what I'd be doing if I was an evil supervillain.
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